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re: Is there even a definition of "conservative" anymore? When did you start promoting it?
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:32 am to 93and99
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:32 am to 93and99
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Are you an open border fig?
My policy preferences have nothing to do with this discussion, nor do they have anything remotely to do with that comment.
Like with all presidents, Trump reduced some regulations and added regulations in other areas.
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Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:32 am to imjustafatkid
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You're a real psycho if you think Trumps immigration policies aren't in keeping with conservative ideals.
Again, free trade only became non-conservative in 2015 or so
As I said earlier, Rush was a HUGE proponent of NAFTA in real time
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:34 am to AUCom96
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The schism between the Bush and Trump conservative simply boils down to nationalism versus globalism.
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It's not difficult
it is difficult when "globalism" is a more loosely defined and chameleonic term than "conservative"
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:36 am to the808bass
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Conservatism has become too married to libertarian ideals. They share opposition to statism. Little else.
Libertarians are libertines in the social/cultural arena.
I 100% disagree. I think its 100% opposite of that. Conservatism has moved way too far to the liberal side on pretty much everything. Giving into media pressure at all turns.
If they were smart they would preach and preach more on the ideas of nuclear family adn push back on the media narrative that at everyturn celebrates single mothers, GLBT alphabet soup bullshite and everything else. I mean am all for gay rights but not at the expense of others rights. Gays want to get married, great if they develop a stable nuclear family.
Can you name one conservative stance that is too libertarian?
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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it is difficult when "globalism" is a more loosely defined and chameleonic term than "conservative"
Not really.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:38 am to TrueTiger
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I've said it in posts going back prior to the 2016 election that Trump is really a 1960s democrat.
But democrats in the 1960s were much more America First oriented than either party today.
Truth, and both JFK and MLK would be run out of town on a rail by the Dems in 2021.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:39 am to lsu777
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100% disagree. I think its 100% opposite of that. Conservatism has moved way too far to the liberal side on pretty much everything. Giving into media pressure at all turns.
I don’t think I was clear. People are tying the idea of conservatism to libertarianism. SFP is doing that in this thread. Conservatism isn’t inherently anti-tariff. Nor is it inherently open-border.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:39 am to lsu777
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Most of the so called conservatives on this board are not true conservatives and lean whichever way Trump's dick is hanging.
FIFY
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Basically, what are conservative values/ideals, when did you start displaying them, and how much of a relation is Trump to these?
Conservatism begins by rejecting the following….American Marxism, 1619 Project, BLM/Antifa, The Swamp System, and NWO Globalism.
Conservatism embraces the America First movement, rugged individualism, equal opportunity for all Americans, secure and verifiable elections, states demanding their powers and money back from an out of control federal government….I could add more but you get the picture.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:41 am to the808bass
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I don’t think I was clear. People are tying the idea of conservatism to libertarianism. SFP is doing that in this thread. Conservatism isn’t inherently anti-tariff. Nor is it inherently open-border.
aww I agree 100%
those things are why im not a true libertatrian. open borders sounds good in theory but is dog shite in practice adn leads to the good countries being overrun with low iq individuals especially countries with a social safety net.
free trade is fricking awesome until you realize its not fair trade and its not really free and being manipulated. Then it becomes bullshite.
thats why i describe myself as a american first constitutionalist libertarian. I align with Thomas jefferson on most things.
This post was edited on 5/12/21 at 11:45 am
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:43 am to AUCom96
Globalism is more generic than racism these days
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Basically, what are conservative values/ideals, when did you start displaying them, and how much of a relation is Trump to these?
So... someone may have already said what I am about to say but I'm not reading through 3 pages to check and see...
Anyway.. Like liberals, the conservatives of today are not the conservatives of the 60's, 70's, 80's... ect.. Therefore any political ideology is a moving target.
I tend to agree with you by your inference that Trump is not truly conservative. I would tend to label trump as an America 1st moderate. But IMO, Trump's greatest appeal to any conservative is that he is not a career politician and therefore viewed as an outsider/disrupter of the current liberal/conservative political machine.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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it is difficult when "globalism" is a more loosely defined and chameleonic term than "conservative"
Indeed.
Imagine conservatives being against interconnected free markets across the world. Yet here we are with daily screeds against “globalism.”
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Lost an election*, one that is still hotly contested and all data seems to be fishy he lost.
The senate was odd based off Georgia results and the contested election helped the dems win these. They had two bad candidates that ran terrible run off campaigns and they had people pissed at the gov/ Republican Party in GA.
However in the same elections republicans especially Trump types closed the gap in the house
The senate was odd based off Georgia results and the contested election helped the dems win these. They had two bad candidates that ran terrible run off campaigns and they had people pissed at the gov/ Republican Party in GA.
However in the same elections republicans especially Trump types closed the gap in the house
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:51 am to Decatur
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Imagine conservatives being against interconnected free markets across the world. Yet here we are with daily screeds against “globalism.”
No common sense at all.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:53 am to Decatur
Is trade with China interconnected free markets?
Posted on 5/12/21 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The idea of economic globalization is relatively new (post-WWII). Madison, Hamilton, Adams and other Founding Fathers were instrumental in passing protectionist policies almost immediately after the Constitution was signed. Hamilton played a large role in the Tariff Act of 1789, which Washington signed into law.
What are the set principles and ideals of "conservatism"? If free trade is no longer a conservative idea
These debates have been going on for a long time (Hamilton vs Jefferson), so I think it's odd that we've decided the "conservative" stance is uninhibited global trade.
This post was edited on 5/12/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 5/12/21 at 12:05 pm to 93and99
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I don't know if I've ever been called a "conservative" except by insane leftists, so why would my beliefs matter in a discussion about perceived conservatives defining the conservatism?
Posted on 5/12/21 at 12:06 pm to how333
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Donald Trump = Conservatism
Not at all.
Check his spending.
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