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re: Is Russia going to be ok with US Bradleys to Ukraine? No worries for escalation?

Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:57 pm to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:57 pm to
Russia is a mafia run gas station with an economy only slightly larger than New York state. Their soldiers while physically fit are not that well trained, their logistics suck and their coordination of forces ( air and ground) is really bad....and there was a time about 7 or 8 months ago where I thought they were formidable, now, not so much
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:16 pm to
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The Ukrainians seem to be somewhat more-dedicated to their cause than were "our Afghan allies."

They are whiter too. So, there's that.

The Russians are the white people with a specific goal Khazarian/Ukrainians are killing them for 350 year old purposes of the Khazarian jews messiah, Sabbatai Zevi.

Sabateans.

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This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 9:10 pm
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
9039 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:25 pm to
Russia understands the game. The US wants to sell some Bradleys.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11828 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:34 pm to
I doubt Russia sees an older APCs as escalation . Same for missile defense systems.

If we or other western countries supplies weapons that could target well onsite Russia the. I would think that was an escalation.

IE, Ukraine already has weapons similar to the Bradley’s. Older but similar. Long range weapons will add something not currently there.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
17957 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:01 pm to
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I don't think that APCs are the weapon systems that have the Russians sweating in their sleep.


It is giving shareholders of BAE Systems golden dreamy dreams though.



Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25379 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:11 pm to
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What could go wrong?



Nothing. Absolutely .

81 million votes for the current admin, sooo much experience in gov, int’l affairs, geo politics…

We’re in great hands!!!
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11479 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:29 pm to
US crews in the newest Bradleys would be formidable. I don't think the Ukrainians will get new stuff, and they won't be as well trained at US crews.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34342 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:33 pm to
OMG if Russia goes off the rails because of Ukraine getting not tanks lol.

Next up is air planes from the 1970s (aka F16s). Shouldn’t be a problem for Russia and it’s fifth Gen fighters if they actually had any in decent numbers.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26653 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:36 pm to
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Is Russia going to be ok with US Bradleys to Ukraine? No worries for escalation?

I’m sure Russia is quivering in their boots at the thought of civilian Ukrainians piloting 1980’s infantry fighting vehicles.

As pointed out already, Ukraine already has Soviet and Russian-era BMP’s. The US giving them mothballed equipment won’t escalate shite.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 9:39 pm
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8190 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 10:26 pm to
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No one hs ever been scared by a Bradley Fighting Vehicle


A lotta Iraqi soldiers were
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8190 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 10:27 pm to
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As pointed out already, Ukraine already has Soviet and Russian-era BMP’s. The US giving them mothballed equipment won’t escalate shite.


There is some good tech in the Bradley. Thermal optics are a major benefit on the current battlefield.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 10:29 pm to
I heard that we are also sending some Cessnas. Russia probably shitting itself.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27730 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 6:59 am to
It's that we are not sending US aircraft that has allowed the Ukrainians to have the success on the ground that they have. Russia and Ukraine both have MiGs and the Russians are worried about shooting down their own planes.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
12250 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:40 am to
Considering what they gave to the North Vietnamese, Cuba, Iraq, and others I don't see an issue. As long as they don't wind up getting sold or Biden getting 10%.

We'd all like to see this end before someone f's up big time. But the Bradley isn't like sending f-35s.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46351 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:45 am to
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There is some good tech in the Bradley. Thermal optics are a major benefit on the current battlefield.


I think having APCs to protect your soldiers during deployment is not a small thing. Just having the ability to get ground forces up to the battlefield without losing half to small arms fire/machine guns, grenades etc. is the first step in pushing the Russians out.
Posted by Halls Hair
Huckleberry Farm
Member since Jul 2022
144 posts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:21 am to
If you have never seen it, The Pentagon Wars with Kelsey Grammar is a great movie about the development of the Bradley IFV and the military-industrial complex.
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