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re: Is FDIC insurance now unlimited for depositors?

Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:11 pm to
Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:11 pm to
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LSURussian



Damn...where have you been?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167273 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:12 pm to
Thanks. Good summary! It clearly says the shareholders will take it up the butt w/ no lube but do they ever really?

Didn't failed banks under GWBush/Obama maybe WJC, get huge severance and bonus packages? Or am I confusing one crisis for another?
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 7:13 pm
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
6495 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:18 pm to
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This isn't the first time this type of "special insurance assessment" has been used to replenish the FDIC reserve fund.


Same as QE, just means Treasury turned on the printing machine.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103956 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:21 pm to
Some of them did…. But that was because a lot of those people could have otherwise walked off the job and said “frick this shite”.

The government begged these people to stay on the job and help fix the mess then sent mobs with pitchforks to their houses when the bonuses became public knowledge.
Posted by gmac8604
Green Bay, WI
Member since Jun 2012
1401 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:22 pm to
I’d say we have been enduring a “behavioral sink” for 2 years, in the express lane.
Posted by BourreTheDog
Member since May 2016
2767 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:26 pm to
LSU Russian -

Might be over simplified, but as I see it -

Think of this FDIC takeover as a Bankruptcy Receivership. A bunch of the Creditors get together (Fed, US Treasury, and FDIC) and provide a liquidity instrument to keep the basic functions operating while sustaining the value of the assets to be liquidated.

Any shortfalls will be covered by the remaining FDIC member banks through special assessments.
Posted by HorseShoeHenry
Member since Jul 2021
307 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:27 pm to
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The thing is, SVB actually has all of the value of the accounts and more. The issue was fundamentally different than 2008.

The money is there, so if taxpayers contribute anything someone is getting a cut beforehand.


While this is true, the rules were changed mid-game. That has its own consequences...
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:30 pm to
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Depositors will have access to all of their money starting Monday, March 13. No losses associated with the resolution of Silicon Valley Bank will be borne by the taxpayer.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134871 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:31 pm to
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Same as QE, just means Treasury turned on the printing machine.
No, it's totally different from QE, which, btw, was NOT a function of the U.S. Treasury but was instead a bond-buying program by the Federal Reserve Bank intended to increase liquidity in the banking system thereby reducing interest rates all along the yield curve.

This "special insurance assessment" has no effect on the banking system's liquidity.

If you want to compare the special insurance assessment on banks to something, it's more like when Entergy charges a monthly hurricane damage fee on its customers to pay for repairing infrastructure damages following a destructive storm.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20844 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:36 pm to
No shite I thought you died. You are missed on the MB.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:39 pm to
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LSURussian
Well, well!
What do we have here?
A newbie!


So I suppose the move here is to stem a regional bank "contagion." Is that a valid concern?
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 9:22 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134871 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:04 pm to
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So I suppose the mave here is to stem a regional bank "contagion." Is that a valid concern?
Possibly, although from the limited information I can find on SVB and Signature Bank it seems to me their problems were caused by management making very poor decisions as to creating a highly non-diversified and risky customer base.

For SVB it was a high concentration of loans and deposits to and from venture capital firms, which by their very nature are considered speculative risk, hence the word "venture."

Plus, SVB thought they could arbitrage their net interest income by borrowing short at 0.25% and lending long at 3.0% on 5-10 year Treasury securities. But now they're borrowing short at 4.5-4.75%% and they're still earning 3.0% on the securities they hold.

For Signature Bank, their management seemed to believe they could specialize in being the bank for crypto currency firms and ventures. Probably not the best risk profile for a bank these days.

As far as I can tell not many "regional banks" are heavily involved in either of those activities.

So I believe the Fed, FDIC and Treasury are doing what they're doing to prevent a loss of confidence in the banking system.

So they are allowing shareholders in SVB and Signature Bank to lose all of their investment, force out the management of those banks never to be hired again by another bank, and make all the other banks foot the bill for cleaning up those managements' mess.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:13 pm to
And you think the banks won’t pass along these costs to their customers?

We will all be paying this through fees.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102656 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:19 pm to
The biggest problem with our society today is fear of consequences

We as a society continue to make bad decisions because we don’t have to face the consequences. We just get bailed out
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8865 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:21 pm to
It is if your bank is located in Ukraine.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:22 pm to
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No shite I thought you died. You are missed on the MB.
Nah. That just stemmed from his pic crossing Abbey Road barefooted.







This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 9:07 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:26 pm to
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Plus, SVB thought they could arbitrage their net interest income by borrowing short at 0.25% and lending long at 3.0% on 5-10 year Treasury securities. But now they're borrowing short at 4.5-4.75%% and they're still earning 3.0% on the securities they hold.

Ah, interesting.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17960 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:34 pm to
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No cost to taxpayers explain how that works, Janet!

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I'm not Janet but that was explained in the news release posted in the OP.

Funds will be advanced by the Federal Reserve/FDIC to make whole all uninsured depositors. Then a special deposit insurance assessment will be charged to all the other FDIC covered banks until the full amount of the amount advanced is recovered.

That means the shareholders (not taxpayers) of all the other banks will be paying via decreased profits by their banks to cover the full amount advanced to make all depositors whole in the Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank.


Russian, first off, great to see you again.

Second, don't you think that banks will simply pass the assessment or increased insurance premiums on to customers via fees, lower deposit interest rates (now that rates are actually rising a bit) and possibly higher loan rates (if competition allows)?

I don't see the boards or shareholders of these banks voluntarily eating the assessment and lowering earnings.

Third, isn't this a recipe for moral hazard?
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
50722 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:48 pm to
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I think they worded it to sound better and they will all get their $250 and shut up.

Did you read the statement?
Posted by gogetumpoke
Member since Dec 2006
12 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:54 pm to
So they are allowing shareholders in SVB and Signature Bank to lose all of their investment, force out the management of those banks never to be hired again by another bank, and make all the other banks foot the bill for cleaning up those managements' mess.


Exactly. What isn’t getting enough attention is this next round of special assessments that will be shoved down the throats of well managed banks that didn’t go to sleep at the switch. In the process sending the message to the VC and start up crowd that there are no consequences for their piss poor money management. The haircut shouldn’t be large but the fact that well managed banks will end up footing the bill is straight up bullshite when, in this particular case, the large depositors new the risk and just simply failed to mitigate it.
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