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Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:55 am to jptiger2009
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Is affordable housing a right
Of course not.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:57 am to jptiger2009
The best response by centrists/conservatives is that it’s paramount that we stop expanding the notion of “rights”. We need to start using the term “responsibility”.
I differ from Libertarians in that, as a Christian moralist, I think it is my responsibility (our collective responsibility) to provide for the truly poor and disadvantaged. The difficulty of the task is to do it in such a way that it doesn’t cause dependence.
The existing paradigm of big government programs creating “entitlements” for an ever expanding list of rights for the latest real or imagined group of disadvantaged voters is not only unsustainable, but also inefficient, ineffective, prone to corruption, disingenuous from the start by self-serving politicians, and most importantly it is essentially harmful to the very groups we are ostensibly trying to help.
For these reasons, I am not automatically opposed to every single effort to provide assistance to the lowest tier of society. I think that such efforts are best handled locally, and by private charitable groups or non-governmental institutions, but measured, targeted, and objectively measured governmental interventions can and must play a role especially as our society is currently arranged.
We’ve got a long way to go if we want to restructure our civil society in such a way that we citizens are ready, willing, and able to shoulder the burden of supporting our less fortunate bretheren.
And you Libertarians, make no mistake, the losers in the game of life’s big lottery system, whether it be intelligence, health, or bad circumstances, are always going to be with us, and they make up a large segment of the population. They cannot be left so far behind in misery for both moral and practical reasons. Such a society cannot survive for very long.
I differ from Libertarians in that, as a Christian moralist, I think it is my responsibility (our collective responsibility) to provide for the truly poor and disadvantaged. The difficulty of the task is to do it in such a way that it doesn’t cause dependence.
The existing paradigm of big government programs creating “entitlements” for an ever expanding list of rights for the latest real or imagined group of disadvantaged voters is not only unsustainable, but also inefficient, ineffective, prone to corruption, disingenuous from the start by self-serving politicians, and most importantly it is essentially harmful to the very groups we are ostensibly trying to help.
For these reasons, I am not automatically opposed to every single effort to provide assistance to the lowest tier of society. I think that such efforts are best handled locally, and by private charitable groups or non-governmental institutions, but measured, targeted, and objectively measured governmental interventions can and must play a role especially as our society is currently arranged.
We’ve got a long way to go if we want to restructure our civil society in such a way that we citizens are ready, willing, and able to shoulder the burden of supporting our less fortunate bretheren.
And you Libertarians, make no mistake, the losers in the game of life’s big lottery system, whether it be intelligence, health, or bad circumstances, are always going to be with us, and they make up a large segment of the population. They cannot be left so far behind in misery for both moral and practical reasons. Such a society cannot survive for very long.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:58 am to jptiger2009
You can buy a palatial house in Bangor Maine for 200000k
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:58 am to jptiger2009
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But, for those that lack structure for whatever legitimate reason, what happens for those people?
family, friends, community, church, etc
the way it was before the government decided it needed to handle this
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:59 am to jptiger2009
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But, for those that lack structure for whatever legitimate reason, what happens for those people?
100 years ago, we let Darwin do his thing. And the world was better off.
Now we refuse to let Darwin do his thing and the problem grows and grows. And everyone is worse off.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:04 am to beerJeep
Darwin can't do his thing in a place (Louisiana) where everyone feels entitled.
there's the generational poverty living off the government for as long as they could have.
then, there's this other portion who don't want people to have their taxes. then, when it comes time to collect theirs (80% of Ascension parish), they feel entitled to "collect what's theirs".
there's the generational poverty living off the government for as long as they could have.
then, there's this other portion who don't want people to have their taxes. then, when it comes time to collect theirs (80% of Ascension parish), they feel entitled to "collect what's theirs".
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:06 am to jptiger2009
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there's the generational poverty living off the government for as long as they could have.
then, there's this other portion who don't want people to have their taxes. then, when it comes time to collect theirs (80% of Ascension parish), they feel entitled to "collect what's theirs".
comparing people that strictly live off the government to tax payers using tax payer money is incredibly disingenuous
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:08 am to jptiger2009
Define “affordable.”
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:08 am to Salmon
you called it hypocracy a minute ago.
now, I'm disingenuous. ok...
now, I'm disingenuous. ok...
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:08 am to jptiger2009
quote:You are thinking of Anarchists. A handful of fringe libertariians may hold this view, but most of us recognize that there do exist a handful of legitimate functions of government ... and that taxes are a legitimate means of funding those functions.
Libertarians think taxes are theft.
We just see the legitimate functions of governmentnas being MUCH more limited than Cons and Lefties.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:09 am to TerryDawg03
read the article
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:09 am to jptiger2009
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Darwin can't do his thing in a place (Louisiana) where everyone feels entitled.
What do I feel entitled for?
And no. Darwin can’t do things in AMERICA because we refuse to allow him. We in AMERICA have things like welfare. That isn’t a LOUISIANA problem. It’s an AMERICA problem.
Sink or swim. Let Darwin chose who is worthy of living and who isn’t. Kill of the dumb and lame and infertile. Let the strong overcome like we have for all of human history.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:09 am to jptiger2009
It’s not a right, but it’s damn sure a necessity. Without it, you end up with Chicago.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:10 am to jptiger2009
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you called it hypocracy a minute ago.
now, I'm disingenuous. ok...
It certain situations it can by hypocrisy.
Now can you address the point?
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:12 am to jptiger2009
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Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:12 am to jptiger2009
If you want to know where we are headed you should check out FDR's second inaugural address.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:13 am to beerJeep
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Sink or swim. Let Darwin chose who is worthy of living and who isn’t. Kill of the dumb and lame and infertile. Let the strong overcome like we have for all of human history.
yeah, that's how we've become a civil society...NOT
If you grew up as a 4th generation welfare kid, you would not have this view.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:14 am to Salmon
sometimes you need to point out things to people. That's the point.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:14 am to jptiger2009
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yeah, that's how we've become a civil society...NOT
actually that is exactly how we became a civil society
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If you grew up as a 4th generation welfare kid, you would not have this view.
in that scenario there is no such thing as a "4th generation welfare kid"
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