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Inside Hitler's Killing Machine
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:01 pm
Watching the documentary right now. They just dropped the line that Hitler never visited any concentration camp.
Do you guys buy that?
Himmler and Mengele seem to be move evil than Hitler. Used to think Mengele took the cake on that one, but never really did much research on Himmler. At this point, I'd say they're close to each other.
How could one guy, (Hitler) motivate seemingly tens of thousands of soldiers to carry out such brutal atrocities, without carrying out more carnage than he actually did. I've heard a lot of conjecture on what the appeal to Hitler was, and how they painted the jews as an equivalent of a rat. That just doesn't click in my brain that he could convince that many people to do what they did.
Do you guys buy that?
Himmler and Mengele seem to be move evil than Hitler. Used to think Mengele took the cake on that one, but never really did much research on Himmler. At this point, I'd say they're close to each other.
How could one guy, (Hitler) motivate seemingly tens of thousands of soldiers to carry out such brutal atrocities, without carrying out more carnage than he actually did. I've heard a lot of conjecture on what the appeal to Hitler was, and how they painted the jews as an equivalent of a rat. That just doesn't click in my brain that he could convince that many people to do what they did.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:03 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Simple answer: identity politics and a shitty economy
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:04 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
I'd buy that he never visited the camps. Why run the risk of being photographed at one? Plausible deniability you know.
There are some, like his sister, who defended him by saying he never knew about the camps, and that it was all Himmler and Heydrich's doing. That I don't buy. He damn well knew about the death camps.
1920's and 1930's Germany was just a perfect storm for the rise of the Nazis. As far as the hatred of the Jews, there had already been anti-Semitism in Europe for a thousand years. They had been persecuted and run out of nations around Europe long before World War II. It may not have been as hard as you think to mobilize the ones you needed to carry out mass murder against the Jews.
There are some, like his sister, who defended him by saying he never knew about the camps, and that it was all Himmler and Heydrich's doing. That I don't buy. He damn well knew about the death camps.
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How could one guy, (Hitler) motivate seemingly tens of thousands of soldiers to carry out such brutal atrocities, without carrying out more carnage than he actually did. I've heard a lot of conjecture on what the appeal to Hitler was, and how they painted the jews as an equivalent of a rat. That just doesn't click in my brain that he could convince that many people to do what they did.
1920's and 1930's Germany was just a perfect storm for the rise of the Nazis. As far as the hatred of the Jews, there had already been anti-Semitism in Europe for a thousand years. They had been persecuted and run out of nations around Europe long before World War II. It may not have been as hard as you think to mobilize the ones you needed to carry out mass murder against the Jews.
This post was edited on 8/5/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:06 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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How could one guy, (Hitler) motivate seemingly tens of thousands of soldiers to carry out such brutal atrocities
Simple, he took cancel culture to another level.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:08 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Biden hasn't been to the border either!
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:08 pm to TheFonz
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Plausible deniability
This perfectly says it all.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:13 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Was listening to a podcast on the "experimenting" Japanese scientists did on Chinese captors the other day. Things like freezing arms in cold chambers then smashing the arm with a hammer. Forcing prisoners with bad venereal diseases to have sex. All sorts of slow torturous pain threshold deaths. They bred plague carrying diseases in fleas then released them on towns in China. And so much more. This was on the kings and generals pacific war podcast.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:14 pm to oldskule
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Biden hasn't been to the border either!
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:18 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
That was a much different time (obviously) and the value of life was much less.
Life actually meaning something of worth is a 20th century creation with the advancement of healthcare and technology.
Yes life as always meant something to someone, but life expectancy was short (see chart) and people were dying of all sorts of things. Life to the masses had little overall value, which is why women were popping out 10 kids, with the hopes 2 or 3 would make it.
Then you couple that with Hitler was able to saddle all the pain the Germans were suffering from WW1 and Depression - Boom.
After 9/11 here, about every normal American would have supported genocidal warfare against muslims. If Bush had nuked Afghanistan off the map, he would have came out the other side still with over 50% approval.
Life actually meaning something of worth is a 20th century creation with the advancement of healthcare and technology.
Yes life as always meant something to someone, but life expectancy was short (see chart) and people were dying of all sorts of things. Life to the masses had little overall value, which is why women were popping out 10 kids, with the hopes 2 or 3 would make it.
Then you couple that with Hitler was able to saddle all the pain the Germans were suffering from WW1 and Depression - Boom.
After 9/11 here, about every normal American would have supported genocidal warfare against muslims. If Bush had nuked Afghanistan off the map, he would have came out the other side still with over 50% approval.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:21 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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How could one guy, (Hitler) motivate seemingly tens of thousands of soldiers to carry out such brutal atrocities, without carrying out more carnage than he actually did.
Definitely watch "Hunting Hitler" from the History Channel with Tim Kennedy as "host". Doesn't go in to great connection to the concentration camps, however, they did discuss a lot about how Hitler was taking crazy pain killers (a form of Meth if I recall) that really made him virtually crazy during concentration camp time and end of war time.
He had some sort of issue with his stomach or some shite. It's been some years since I watched it so someone can probably correct me.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:28 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
One thing difficult to study about Hitler is his rhetorical style since we speak English. I've read a lot of papers about his technique and it was brilliant.
It comes from the old mantra: 'If you emphasize everything ...you emphasize nothing.'
He started each speech low volume, slow halting rate, boring.
He transitioned to a more articulate style as he got into details. Then as he reached the conclusion he went full volume, large dramatic gestures until reaching climax.
After the war there were a lot of interviews with people who had been in the crowds. They all said it was a feeling of group euphoria.
It comes from the old mantra: 'If you emphasize everything ...you emphasize nothing.'
He started each speech low volume, slow halting rate, boring.
He transitioned to a more articulate style as he got into details. Then as he reached the conclusion he went full volume, large dramatic gestures until reaching climax.
After the war there were a lot of interviews with people who had been in the crowds. They all said it was a feeling of group euphoria.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:30 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
This board and its hitlor obsession.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:32 pm to Zach
Adding to that, a lot of your message is delivery and not necessarily what you're saying. If people find you confident and charismatic that will go a long way. Kinda like if you act like you belong nobody will question your presence.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:32 pm to Zach
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After the war there were a lot of interviews with people who had been in the crowds. They all said it was a feeling of group euphoria.
Definitely a great speaker. That's one of his talents but all the other stuff led to ... well... making him the worst human possibly of all time.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:33 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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How could one guy, (Hitler) motivate seemingly tens of thousands of soldiers to carry out such brutal atrocities, without carrying out more carnage than he actually did
The brainwashing of families and kids who then grow up a decade later to join the SS who’ve only ever known Jews to be dirty creatures who don’t deserve to live and must be exterminated so that your own German pure family and race can remain pure and the mother country can succeed and move forward only once the Jews are gone
It’s fascinating at the scale of propaganda
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:34 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
100% control of all media. If the government you trust says something is true, and every newspaper and radio station agrees, most people will believe it, especially when they have no access to any contradictory information.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:39 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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That just doesn't click in my brain that he could convince that many people to do what they did.
Sweet summer child. Human history is one long continuous trail of genicide.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:40 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
People, especially vulnerable people, are unbelievably easier to manipulate than you think. There are many historical books that give great detail into this subject matter. "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is one of the best.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:46 pm to Guntoter1
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Human history is one long continuous trail of genicide.
All the way back to Cain and Able. First two sons of Adam and Eve.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:47 pm to Mo Jeaux
I'll admit I have a morbid sense of curiosity about Hitler. I've read in some publications that the studies Mengele did would have great significance even in today's medical community if they could discover his notes but he was able to not only escape Germany alive but also destroyed all of his medical notes. The loss of the notes just adds insult to injury to the mutilations he performed on his victims.
Add to that, the lessons we can learn from how Hitler came to such power, the words and methods he used can be studied for a whole host of reasons.
I'm fine with you being annoyed with Hitler obsession. I also find the comparison of virtually every president since WWII to Hitler to be oddly interesting. Hitler had the power of persuasion obviously. He had qualities that every good leader should have, but he was a bad person and used it for bad things. But it's hard to say that any one person would ever have the effect that Hitler did, just due to the nature of the internet among other things. I don't like any comparison to Hitler, because he seems like such a bizarre case study. Biden certainly is no Hitler. . . He's to phucking stupid to convince anyone of anything. I don't believe Hitler was stupid. Just evil.
Add to that, the lessons we can learn from how Hitler came to such power, the words and methods he used can be studied for a whole host of reasons.
I'm fine with you being annoyed with Hitler obsession. I also find the comparison of virtually every president since WWII to Hitler to be oddly interesting. Hitler had the power of persuasion obviously. He had qualities that every good leader should have, but he was a bad person and used it for bad things. But it's hard to say that any one person would ever have the effect that Hitler did, just due to the nature of the internet among other things. I don't like any comparison to Hitler, because he seems like such a bizarre case study. Biden certainly is no Hitler. . . He's to phucking stupid to convince anyone of anything. I don't believe Hitler was stupid. Just evil.
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