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re: In your opinion, should rich people pay more in income taxes?

Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:19 pm to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:19 pm to
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Shouldn’t be based on percentage of income. Take cost to run govt, divide by number of citizens. This gives you the per citizen amount owed.
This. The way we fund the government is non-sensical. If we are going to rely on only 3-5% to pay for almost all of the funding, shouldn't that small minority have a bigger voice and influence than the other 95% that don't contribute ihst?
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173799 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:19 pm to
I personally like the idea of a consumption based tax like the fair tax

Perhaps supplement that with a modest short term cap gains tax and eliminate the traditional income tax and long term cap gains tax all together.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
28502 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:21 pm to
Roll out the 9,9,9 and defund the IRS. Zero tax breaks for anyone after that. Fair is fair, Billy Jean! EVERYONE pays their fair share.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:21 pm to
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No, a flat 10% across the board,no deductions.
How are you going to fund the government?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:23 pm to
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I do not believe any of them pay a significant levy
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:24 pm to
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If we are going to rely on only 3-5% to pay for almost all of the funding, shouldn't that small minority have a bigger voice and influence than the other 95% that don't contribute ihst?


You're suggesting the wealthy don't have a big enough voice or enough influence on our government and economy?

You can't be seirous.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:24 pm to
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The so-called rich have lawyers that they pay to shelter a lot of their income.
Can you point me to one of these magic lawyers? I could use one.
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:25 pm to
I don’t think lottery and gambling winnings should even be taxed.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:27 pm to
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Partly because of efficiency and logic and partly because DC has fiscally mismanaged those programs to the point it is now a necessity.
Nothing better than rewarding incompetency and mismanagement with more money. Can you imagine running a business this way "Well, Bob keeps screwing up and his projects always fail, let's give him a bigger budget!"
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:29 pm to
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You're suggesting the wealthy don't have a big enough voice or enough influence on our government and economy?
They get one vote just like the rest of us. How many companies have a share holder that puts up 70% of the money with an equal vote of all the other shareholders that put up 0.01% of the capital?

To put a cherry on top... if "the rich" who are paying the taxes are controlling where it goes... they are doing it COMPLETELY wrong.

This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 3:32 pm
Posted by NE4501
Member since Apr 2020
36 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:30 pm to
Flat tax. You are taxed based on consumption. That way everyone has skin in the game, I don't have to file anything, and I can stop seeing those ghetto commercials about tax return payouts at tax time.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:31 pm to
Trust me we do. Until maybe you get into the super rich category and hire lawyers to find every loophole and exception.

I would rather a gradual flat tax. Simplify the code, hell get rid of most of it.

Individuals and companies spend billions a year due to a complex tax code. Of course, that overly complex tax code is the number one way the government tries to manage it's citizen's lives.
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8689 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:32 pm to
Flat tax. Everybody pays 10%. No exceptions.
Posted by OnTheLevel State Fan
Member since Jul 2017
871 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:34 pm to
Exactly
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:37 pm to
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They get one vote just like the rest of us.


You're not this dumb. Nobody is.

What's the point you're trying to make with Transfer Payments Chart?
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
22476 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:38 pm to
The top 1 percent of taxpayers pay more income taxes than the bottom 90 percent combined. Isn't that enough?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:44 pm to
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The top 1 percent of taxpayers pay more income taxes than the bottom 90 percent combined. Isn't that enough?


Don't know. That's not enough information.

How much does the top 1% own of national income and national wealth?

What percentage of total taxes does the 1% pay?

We could answer your question if we had that info.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19821 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:45 pm to
The bottom half of wage earners in this country have almost no federal income tax liability. They get to vote too. Must be nice getting representation without taxation. This is why the founders considered only allowing land owners to vote. While I disagree with that because not everyone wants to own land, I think that, aside from social security recipients, only net contributors to the federal treasury should be allowed to vote in federal elections. If you don't have any skin in the game, then STFU.
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 3:48 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63500 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:46 pm to
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Flat tax. Everybody pays 10%. No exceptions.
This cannot possibly work. Total AGI for all US tax payers is about $10.9 trillion. 10% would be about $1 Trillion.

* Compare that $1T to current taxes. 2019 taxes were $3.46 trillion. Almost 3-1/2 times that amount and we still ran almost $1 Trillion in deficit.

* $1 Trillion *interest* on the debt will be north of $500B this year.

SO for this this to work, you'd have to cut the federal budget to a quarter of it's current size... or the rate would need to be something on the order of 40% on every penny earned.

People simply do not realize how much "the rich" are paying. Our government simply cannot survive without them at this point.

The "rest of us" cannot afford our government.
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 3:54 pm
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
26954 posts
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:47 pm to
50% of everything over 50K
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