re: In WW2 we firebombed millions and then cluster bombed the rescuers

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This is exactly the type of scenario that creates the new wave and next generation of anti-American Muslim extremists.

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They were already Muslim extremists because that’s what Islam teaches. They will always see us as the enemy regardless of who we kill or don’t kill

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Because the new regime will also be Muslim.

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Meh it isn't like they were always Muslim.

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That was a war for the fate of the world This is a war for…

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Ending the evil of Islamist Iran, that suppresses its people, supports terrorism the world over, kills Americans, tried to kill Trump, supports the evil that is Putin’s Russia, supports Nazi formally Communist China, and threatens the free flow of oil that would result in thousands of deaths in the 3rd world.

Is that enough or should I mention their unending desire for nuclear weapons to attack the “Great Satan” the U S or the “Little Satan” Israel?

I could go on.

Truly there is little difference between the Nazis, Communist, Imperial Japanese, or the Islamic Republic of Iran.

This is a war for the fate of the world. For evil to triumph, good men must do nothing.

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That war started in 1953 when we installed the Shah as dictator (or monarch if you want to rely on euphemism).

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So you would prefer religious murderous freak dictator Ayatollahs over a Shah? Sometimes you have choose the lesser of the two evils. The Shah would be a 100 times better than what they have now. Bottom line line is the Ayatollahs are a nuclear threat to the West in general and America in particular. World politics is complicated your thoughts are simple and not very forward thinking.

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So you would prefer religious murderous freak dictator Ayatollahs over a Shah? Sometimes you have choose the lesser of the two evils. The Shah would be a 100 times better than what they have now. Bottom line line is the Ayatollahs are a nuclear threat to the West in general and America in particular. World politics is complicated your thoughts are simple and not very forward thinking.

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Iran would have been much more like Jordan.

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shouldn’t bomb civilians and destroy entire cities

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nice bumper sticker but a poor defense policy.

The number one object is to avoid war altogether

BUT

when war is FORCED on you (when only alternative is total surrender to foreign dominance) the ONLY limit is 'what will work' - if it WORKs then use it as quickly and thoroughly as possible ---> make humanitarian cleanup after the the victory.

And let the horrible human sacrifice that attend to the very definition of "WAR", make it a lesson to not ever provoke another one.

As for civilian casualties, that is why we make a distinction between WAR and "foreign relation" - we do not go to WAR without dire reason - and after having exhausted all other humane attempts to avoid it.

But once joined - the object is to WIN it - by utterly DESTROYING whatever force or situation that caused it. And the more quickly that can be achieved, the better.

Your really that slow?


Says the guy who claims the PM being elected was a "coup", and ignores the actual coup (which the US admits was a coup that we helped create)

The vote in 1953 s controlled by the Mohammad Mosaddegh faction which happened.

The vote of 1952 is the question because Mohammad Mosaddegh and the shah stopped the vote:
Royalists 49
Pro-British
National Front Iran Party 30
Toilers Party
Muslim Warriors
Vacant 57
Total 136

As I said there are many factions as can be seen the NF only has 30 votes, that is Mohammad Mosaddegh. He controls only about 1/4 of Iran's population.

He led the coup against the shah; the shah is the ruler of the country not Parliament.

Kashani change sides first and then Behbahani (said to be CIA money). Those two and the Kurds along with the Shah loyalist controlled over 60% of the vote.

The coup was already felling before the MI6 and the CIA could act, but once the ball started to roll it was over.

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You need to address this to Proximo, not me.

I never argued Muslims can't be moderate.

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Sure thing SlowMadrasaPro

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What. A. Pivot. Attempt.

The GWB admin did everything they could to tie the invasion to 911.

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Lololololololol

I must have missed all the red meat speeches about extreme Islam in all the "religion of peace" fluff.

Yes, he did try to tie it to 9/11 and when that wasnt working they went rhe WMD route.

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So you're just ignoring all the shite we did in Iraq to create hyper-specific definitions to play bait and switch. Got it.

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You're on a roll. Didn't answer a single one of my questions, which are indicative of true total war.

Instead, you insist it is "hyper-specific" and accuse ME of trying to pivot.

You are the one that implied the West has fought an unsuccessful total war against extreme Islam and them when asked for an example present the second Iraq war, which was anything but.

Take your "L" and invest in some mirrors.

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He led the coup against the shah

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What coup?