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re: In Montreal, you can’t have a Christian singer have a worship service in a Church

Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:27 pm to
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44326 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:27 pm to
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The rules don’t change because one is singing about Jesus.


So people can’t sing about Jesus…in a church?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:29 pm to
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Define “sincere practice of religion “


Courts have. It's to avoid people claiming their religion allows them to break [insert law]

Think: Rastafarians and smoking weed or Children of God and raping kids

This as opposed to Jehovah's Witnesses not standing for the Pledge
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:30 pm to
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Do you want Rage Against the Machine playing a free pop up show on your block?


I wouldnt care. Do you know why? Because unlike you, I am true to my ideals regarding freedom and you are a statist.


My street is chocked off at least once weekly due to left wingers protesting something stupid. I'm used to it.
This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 2:32 pm
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71229 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:32 pm to
I wonder if MLK needed a permit when he'd show up to give sermons in churches.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44326 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:32 pm to
So, according to YOU, singing about Jesus (in a church) is the equivalent of Rastas smoking weed in a municipality where smoking weed is illegal?

Haha, you are such a tool.
Posted by Prodigal Son
Member since May 2023
1731 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:33 pm to
This is impossible. I’ve been told over and over, and reassured, time after time, that Christians are not in fact being persecuted.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:34 pm to
Lawyer dude said its "universal."

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:36 pm to
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So, according to YOU, singing about Jesus (in a church) is the equivalent of Rastas smoking weed in a municipality where smoking weed is illegal?

No.

That's not the discussion.

You picked up one part of one point and are ignoring the rest of the conversation.

But I'll break it down for a 1st grader for you:

The portion of the sincerity aspect that's relevant is that if there's not a sincere religious belief, then the further discussion about potential religious protection ends. You do not pass go. You do not collect $200. And you certainly don't get to bring up any religious-based protections potentially available to those with sincerely-held religious beliefs.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:38 pm to
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This is impossible. I’ve been told over and over, and reassured, time after time, that Christians are not in fact being persecuted.



And the plant created by the planting of lies as seeds, bears fruit
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:40 pm to
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I wonder if MLK needed a permit when he'd show up to give sermons in churches.

Naw
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71229 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:41 pm to
Your entire argument hinges on whether this very publicly evangelical follower of Christ has a sincere religious belief, and you are dying on that hill, because they called him MAGA Republican performer.

"Your honor, as someone whose opinions are infallible fact, this man is not sincere in his religious beliefs. I rest my case, you're a low IQ moron if you disagree."

Counselor Slow, apparently
Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
30172 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:43 pm to
SFP

Honest question, can you articulate your understanding of what permitting for events in traditional venues entails? Yes, a church would be considered a traditional venue.

Thanks
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:43 pm to
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Your entire argument hinges on whether this very publicly evangelical follower of Christ has a sincere religious belief,

No. Even though I think he's a charlatan, personally, he checks that box.

That's why we were able to have the conversation from OP onward.

If he were a Pastafarian, everyone would agree he needs a permit.

Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
11027 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:44 pm to
your bs answers have not identified the zoning requirements.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477254 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:45 pm to
I actually did try to look up the Montreal permitting requirements earlier but the SEO for their public permits dominates so it wasn't worth the effort when that part shouldn't be up for debate (as the government officials clearly stated prior to the event one was necessary).
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128852 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:45 pm to
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I actually did try to look up the Montreal permitting requirements earlier but the SEO for their public permits dominates so it wasn't worth the effort when that part shouldn't be up for debate (as the government officials clearly stated prior to the event one was necessary).



Lolololololololololllolol
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71229 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:46 pm to
If he performed in a pasatfarian place of worship, you wouldn't have anything to be contrarian about and nobody would have heard of it because it would have just happened without incident.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1940 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:46 pm to
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This is what you do
Yeah, ask you to prove your stupid assertions

quote:

I already said I wouldn't, and why
Oh I already know that you won't and I already know why

quote:

Try to obfuscate and re-frame discussions to take them off focus, ignoring the subject
You said a permit is required. I asked you why these exact same events happen all over the country every week. You said LEO turns a blind eye. I asked you to prove it. You haven't. You won't. You can't. Your response was typically stupid

Why did LEO show up in this particular instance but not all the other instances that happen all the time? There is a very specific reason why and non-asperger's people know exactly what it is.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:46 pm to
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He seems more political than evangelical imho.

I believe that's also the conclusion of the Montreal authorities. Hence, not "worship".

All of these personal attacks on SFP, and his original point still stands, the OP was misleading.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128852 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 2:47 pm to
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I believe that's also the conclusion of the Montreal authorities. Hence, not "worship".


What political stances is he taking?
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