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re: If you’re trying to “convert” a leftist

Posted on 8/15/22 at 7:04 pm to
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
3518 posts
Posted on 8/15/22 at 7:04 pm to
generally the best way to change someone's views especially a progressive person is to find commonality first then discuss where ones ideas might be divergent in a rational articulated way and then allow space for them to think about these ideas after the discussion. Got ya's and name calling will get people emotional and they will stop listing to what you say.

However, If this is for a girlfriend or wife, I suggest you disregard the top paragraph and avoid any type of political discussion because you aren't going to change their mind and its just going to piss them off.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18019 posts
Posted on 8/15/22 at 7:21 pm to
quote:

Answer honest questions honestly and without emotion. Be calm and when the conversation goes south, like it will, let the conversation die and show you are disinterested in spelling shite out.



Yes, I did this and it was helpful.

This person brought the subject and questions up to me.

A person that I love.

But I still can’t understand how two people can look at the same thing
And see two different (opposite) things.

It was a good conversation
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
24969 posts
Posted on 8/15/22 at 7:23 pm to
quote:

trying to “convert” a leftist

Ask them to watch "Capitol Punishment".

If they sit through the entire film and aren't absolutely infuriated and sick to their stomach by the end, then they're beyond hope.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18019 posts
Posted on 8/15/22 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

However, If this is for a girlfriend or wife,


I suggest you disregard the top paragraph and avoid any type of political discussion because you aren't going to change their mind and its just going to piss them off.


A family member that is willing to have a reasonable conversation.

I would like to send her good info to read
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13028 posts
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:02 pm to
quote:

If you’re trying to “convert” a leftist
to what? organic compost?
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15851 posts
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:30 pm to
It's useless. Let leftists fry in their own grease.
Posted by GatorReb
Dallas GA
Member since Feb 2009
9282 posts
Posted on 8/15/22 at 9:06 pm to
Shapiro made a good point when someone asked him this question once about the persons SO.

Essentially it came down to the fact that they are a Lefty for one or two reasons.

1) They got sucked in by MSM and social media and all their loser lefties friends.
2) it is who they are in their values.

1 you may can fix with good research and evidence and conversations. 2. Dont waste your time. Person is sick in the head.
Posted by NOLAGurl
Member since Aug 2021
354 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 6:25 am to
You can't come at cult members like leftists straight on. If they already know you're not on their side, they put up a hard wall. Make them believe you are liberal or at least left leaning. Don't say anything to directly confront their biases. Very mildly un-pc jokes can open a crack in the wall, you have to be careful with those, though. Discussions about being uncomfortable with leftist policies that genuinely hurt, say, women or children (there are plenty of those) can leave them with their own burning questions and thoughts later, just be sure to make it sound like you're confused about it too. The racial idiocy is also a good place to pick at slowly.
Always talk to them alone, never when they are with their group. Many of them are more willing to admit to feeling unsure about leftist thought when alone, they will never break rank when in front of other leftists.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71383 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 6:28 am to
quote:

EPOCH TIMES

i believe it was founded or highly organized by ex-COMMUNIST CHINESE Immigrants that lived thru the evil and know what it’s like to live under tyranny.


They're Falun Gong.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4916 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 6:38 am to
The modern leftist is quick to make excuses for laziness, jealousy, and whataboutisms.

Anyone of that mindset is going to deflect truth, because it reveals the flaws in their reasoning.

The best you can do is protect the truth by not allowing them to command the language. This is the ultimate weapon/tactic of the left. To twist the meaning of words to suit their needs. There is only one truth. Do not let them claim, "their truths."

Posted by tonydtigr
Beautiful Downtown Glenn Springs,Tx
Member since Nov 2011
5129 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 6:55 am to
Once a zombie, always a zombie.
Posted by BamaAggiemom
Member since Aug 2019
387 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 7:41 am to
My daughter is turning. My daughter who protested against Trump now says she'll vote for him if he runs.

The Ukraine has pushed her over the edge. She can't believe how much we're spending on the Ukraine when people are struggling here.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39667 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 7:46 am to
It depends on what you are trying to convert them to. I suggest all people read Matthew Yglesias and Kevin Williamson for a start. These are center-left and center-right intellectuals who are top-notch. If you want to get the nutty-left and nutty-right viewpoints, just watch CNN and FoxNews.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261640 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 7:49 am to
quote:

And yes I know it’s impossible


Because we live in different realities.

They just don't see the world like normal people.
Posted by TrumpTakeTheWheel
MAGAVille, Down-voted by libs only
Member since Jun 2022
380 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 7:52 am to
Good luck. I wouldn't count on anything though.
Posted by BigD45
Chambers County, TX
Member since Feb 2007
1153 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 1:44 pm to
Tell the person the so-called "Marxist Utopia" doesn't exist with a monetary system. We have a monetary system. No journalists are needed.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112605 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 2:09 pm to
In my many encounters with leftist friends and coworkers the key item is economics. They don't understand it at all. The book that explains it best in simple terms is Free to Choose by Milton Friedman.



Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18813 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 2:20 pm to
Jason Whitlock
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 2:26 pm to
Free cell phones & testosterone treatments have shown results.
Posted by Big Gorilla
Bossier City
Member since Oct 2020
5463 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

If their eyes aren’t open by now, they never will be.


FACT. Have a relative that went from right to FAR left. Watching CNN. Stopped talking to him as every single time it turned into orange man bad.

You have to be willing to let these loons go. You can't change them. They are lost.
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