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re: If you possess a bump stock after March 2019, you will be breaking the law.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:08 pm to Wtodd
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:08 pm to Wtodd
They have explained as nauseum that the baseline for evaluating accessories is whether it allows the weapon to fire automatically.
The reason for banning it is that the organization with the authority over such decisions (DoJ via ATF) has made the determination that bump stocks allow the weapon to be fired ostensibly automatically in subversion of already existing restrictions. And for essentially no other purpose.
How is that “no reason”?
The reason for banning it is that the organization with the authority over such decisions (DoJ via ATF) has made the determination that bump stocks allow the weapon to be fired ostensibly automatically in subversion of already existing restrictions. And for essentially no other purpose.
How is that “no reason”?
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:09 pm to HubbaBubba
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Does there really need to be another reason?
Not at all, unless it’s existence is attributable solely to get around existing law.
At that point, it’s a balancing test. Something just being fun to have doesn’t hold up great when the atf presents an actual case
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:12 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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Why would anyone choose to have one?
Loved by people who have more ammo than sense.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:13 pm to GetCocky11
Lmao, it's hilarious seeing people defend this because Trump wanted it. If Obama did this, you all would be flipping your shite.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:13 pm to GetCocky11
Here is why this is dangerous:
The ATF is going to "define" a bump stock as a machine gun according to your Chicago Tribune article. If that flies, then there is absolutely nothing to stop a future Justice Dept from doing the exact same thing for other firearms and accessories - AR pistols will all be defined as SBRs, pistol-grip shotguns will all be defined as SBS, or the holy grail for the left...an "assault weapon" will be outlawed or restricted in the exact same way.
I don't give two shits about bump stocks and I think they are stupid. But I will be damned if I will give the federal fricking government one inch when it comes to guns.
The ATF is going to "define" a bump stock as a machine gun according to your Chicago Tribune article. If that flies, then there is absolutely nothing to stop a future Justice Dept from doing the exact same thing for other firearms and accessories - AR pistols will all be defined as SBRs, pistol-grip shotguns will all be defined as SBS, or the holy grail for the left...an "assault weapon" will be outlawed or restricted in the exact same way.
I don't give two shits about bump stocks and I think they are stupid. But I will be damned if I will give the federal fricking government one inch when it comes to guns.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:13 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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How is that “no reason”?
I said no legal reason; it's being banned purely for political reasons
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:14 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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The prohibition of bump stocks isn’t doing anything to your rights. It’s reclassifying an accessory whose only purpose is to abrogate existing law.
All you have to have to “abrogate” existing law is have a thumb and a belt loop.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:14 pm to SDVTiger
Is there anything you will disagree with Trump about ?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:15 pm to 10MTNTiger
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But I will be damned if I will give the federal fricking government one inch when it comes to guns.
BOOM
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:36 pm to GetCocky11
No "boating accident" here... I actually sold mine a while back. I couldn't afford the g@#damn ammo.
Buddy paid me double what I bought it for. If I'd have known they'd actually outlaw them, I would have kept it to lose from the boat.
Buddy paid me double what I bought it for. If I'd have known they'd actually outlaw them, I would have kept it to lose from the boat.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:36 pm to KosmoCramer
Should my finger be regulated as a class III item??
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:37 pm to GetCocky11
Bump stocks are not the hill to die on.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:41 pm to NIH
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Is there anything you will disagree with Trump about ?
I do not agree with Trump about this, especially since it is a purely political decision that panders to the "gun bad" crowd...
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:47 pm to Bunyan
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The regulation, which was signed by Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker
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Frick this government
I do have a problem with an "acting" cabinet level official, who has not received any form of confirmation by the Senate, signing regulations.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:48 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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At that point, it’s a balancing test. Something just being fun to have doesn’t hold up great when the atf presents an actual case
It wouldn't even be an issue if we did not have corrupt judges, legislators, and the bureaucracy that enables the corruption and tyranny.
If the 2A is to serve it's intended purpose, then the ATF has no argument, for bump stocks, automatic weapons, or anything else. Corruption, tyranny, and judicial activism are the only things allowing this kind of crap. That, and the fact that Americans are too fat and happy to throw off that yoke. If that candle is ever lit, it's Katy bar the door.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:48 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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The stocks allow the weapon to ostensibly fire automatically, or at an accelerated rated of fire.
You going to ban my finger because I can bang stuff really fast with it?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:55 pm to GetCocky11
This is a great first step.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:00 pm to BamaAtl
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This is a great first step.
First step to what? Venezuela?
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:01 pm to DarthRebel
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Bump stocks are not the hill to die on.
Yeah, neither were automatic weapons, suppressors, gun free zones, sawed off shotguns, 30 round magazines, vertical grips on AR pistols, background checks, requirements to buy your constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms, the list goes on and on.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:02 pm to GetCocky11
How about the makeshift alternatives?
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