re: If trump and musk cut social security

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I've long maintained the problem with celebrating crumbs reported as DOGE-adjacent was specifically that it was a distraction from having the real discussion about our deficit. You're proving my point in real time.

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Proving the point you don’t actually know what the problem is.

How do you eat an elephant?

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This post may be the biggest ratio I have seen on the Poli Board…..

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Ah, you zoomers and your social media bullshite.

“Insanity in individuals is something rare—but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.”

They might have to address SS disability. Lots of fraud in that

Its important to learn how to be critical of junk you read posted by liberals on FACEBOOK. Once you learn this you will not repeat dumb stuff you read on FB.

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The problem is we spend too much and our interest will grow faster than the cuts.

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Which illustrates you don’t know what the problem is.

If you don’t know why you spend what you do, or how it got that way it’s impossible to fix. That’s why Trump asked Musk to help. He’s a problem solver, you aren’t.

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How do you eat an elephant with a major GI parasite is the question.

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No it isn’t.

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You keep trying to pretend that "we have to start with small cuts" (small bites of the elephant) is this bold strategy when you ignore that our debt, and interest, will outpace these pitiful savings.

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Thats because you simply can’t understand the nature of the problem.

And btw they aren’t pitiful savings. They are cumulative additions. As has been famously said, a billion here, a billion there you start talking about real money.

They are multiple aspects of the problem, and to get to the solution you have to understand what they are.

You don’t. I honestly think you’re incapable of it.

How many times do people have to tell you that SS will not be cut. Holy shite!

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And btw they aren’t pitiful savings. They are cumulative additions. As has been famously said, a billion here, a billion there you start talking about real money

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When budgets come out, we will see. I think y'all will be disappointed.

I disagree. I’m 42 and have always believed i would not see SS anyway. I made arrangements for retirement myself so i won’t have to depend on the government. If they want to give me a check for my contribution i won’t complain, but i say, cut away!

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SlowFlowPro

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The conversations you're having (in which you are talking to people who are completely ignoring the actual numbers involved and insisting that enough cuts can be made elsewhere to not have to cut SS/Medicare) are exactly why Trump is not going to touch SS.

To make it simple, if I have household bills of $10,000 a month and $1,300 of it goes to pay down credit card debt and another $5,800 goes toward the mortgage and I end up $2,800 short at the end of every month, you're talking to people who insist that you can make up the difference without selling the house by clipping coupons, buying off-brand groceries, not eating out, keeping the thermostat low/high, and re-using sandwich bags.

This is the general populist public, both Democrat and Republican.

And Trump has a lot of guts, but he doesn't have enough guts to lay that on a nation full of people in the amount of denial that our citizenry is in regarding Medicare/SS.

I don't think any elected official does. Not anyone who can get elected, anyway. So we're just going to sail over the cliff at some point.

And I haven't read the whole thread so maybe someone brought this up among the 13 or so pages that currently exist, but SS/Medicare is insolvent today.

However, every day the problem gets worse.

I'm convinced that the allowing in millions—tens of millions—of illegal aliens was not for the purpose of getting votes, or picking strawberries, or whatever other populist narratives people like, it was because Americans are not reproducing. So in about 30 years the ratio of the percentage of the population that is paying into the system vs the percentage that is taking out will be damn near reversed from what it is now.

If we're insolvent now, what's it going to be like then?

We're either going to have to cut or just collapse one day. Maybe even one day in the lifetime of the majority of this board, maybe after. But it will happen.

As much hate as she gets here, Nikki Haley was willing to address this problem like an adult during the primaries. Almost no other politicians are.

I guess they all just have offshore accounts and run-bags stuffed with cash buried under their doghouses so that when the country collapses one day over this they can escape.

And the people you're talking right now to will still be standing there with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed saying, "Nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you!"

The media has said 500 times, daily that DJT is going to cut social security. DJT has said he is not only not going to cut it, but is going to strengthen it.

Don't buy the chocolate with the psyop flavored centers.