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re: If There Has Ever Been A Litmus Test For Why Democracies Only Last
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:00 am to Lakeboy7
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:00 am to Lakeboy7
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We didn’t elect Sociopaths as President before Trump.
You had two of the biggest in office from '93 - '00 and then again from '09-'16. What are you talking about?
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:00 am to BugAC
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To force other countries to eliminate tariffs or other penalties on US goods that we are supposed to have open trade with.
I think that is (the only) valid use of them.
However, that's not what this board wants. They want protectionism and manufacturing brought back to America. Forcing free trade is Globalism. It's an expansion of NAFTA. It ensures that even more American jobs will be outsourced, not brought back here.
I'm fine with that, but your average TD poster is not, yet they act like they're "winning" when Vietnam or someone drops their tariffs.
Also, I disagree vehemently with the way Trump has done this. It's like he's deliberately done it in the most disruptive way possible for not only the trade partners but his own citizens.
I fail to see the benefit in that.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:01 am to wackatimesthree
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If There Has Ever Been A Litmus Test For Why Democracies Only Last 2-3 hundred years, the responses to this tariff debacle are it.
The irony considering this country has operated on Tariffs alone for 137 years.
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But tariffs are not a new phenomenon. In fact, America’s tariffs are almost as old as the republic itself. Among the first laws passed by the first Congress was the Tariff Act of 1789, which imposed a 5 percent tax on most imports.
Tariffs are how the U.S. government funded itself for over a century. Until around the Civil War, tariffs provided over 90 percent of the federal government’s revenues. And for the next 50 years, they provided about half of government funding.
It wasn’t until Congress first introduced the individual income tax in 1913 that tariffs became a fraction of the government’s income. From the end of World War II to today, tariffs have represented less than 5 percent of all tax dollars the U.S. Collects.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:01 am to wackatimesthree
quote:Too corruptible. It's easy to buy elected representatives or fund the creation of your own. Thus, the policies will always reflect private business interests instead of the tenets of the Constitution.
A Litmus Test For Why Democracies Only Last
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:03 am to Tigerdew
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The truth is NO ONE, not on this board or any of the "experts" currently chiming in, know what's going to happen.
No one knows what's going to happen in the sense that no one knows what responses the trade partners will come back with and how Trump will respond to those responses, but that's not what I'm talking about.
No one knows who will win the Indy 500 every year, but everyone knows that when a driver steps on the gas his car will go faster and when he steps on the break it will go slower.
THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Just basic understanding of the mechanics involved.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:03 am to wackatimesthree
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Also, I disagree vehemently with the way Trump has done this. It's like he's deliberately done it in the most disruptive way possible for not only the trade partners but his own citizens.
How is your life being disrupted by tariffs right now... as you type away on TD.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:04 am to BugAC
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The irony considering this country has operated on Tariffs alone for 137 years.
Nope.
Read what I said again.
I didn't say the tariffs were the litmus test.
I said the popular responses to the tariffs were the litmus test.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:05 am to Bass Tiger
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:05 am to Tigerdew
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How is your life being disrupted by tariffs right now... as you type away on TD.
Idiot responses like these are exactly what I'm talking about.
Check with me in 18 months and I'll tell you. But since we're three days in, it's a little hard to answer that one just yet.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:05 am to wackatimesthree
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They want protectionism and manufacturing brought back to America.
Is this wrong?
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Forcing free trade is Globalism.
Explain this... quote:
It's an expansion of NAFTA. It ensures that even more American jobs will be outsourced
Not if the protectionism portion comes into play. You are assuming that other countries are playing fairly. China, Germany, S. Korea are imposing tariffs on American goods/manufacturing. Do you honestly believe that these 3 countries are more technologically advanced and more efficient than America? They are cheaper, sure, but that is due to no such labor laws. Therefore, the only reason they are cheaper is they are not playing by the same rules as America. Thats when US protectionism comes into play. If Mexico, China, S. Korea, Germany, etc... want to compete evenly with America, then not only must they remove their tariffs on our goods, but they also must adhere to American style labor laws. Ergo, it's perfectly right and just to impose a tariff on these companies even if they reduce their tariffs on US goods to zero, as long as they pay pennies on the dollar for labor or use slave labor. Get it?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:06 am to BeeFense5
Agree....I support our guy, but seems like this could have been done differently and more effectively without all this carnage. Like maybe a little negotaition and patience (moderate) instead of scorched earth all at once.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:06 am to wackatimesthree
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Check with me in 18 months and I'll tell you. But since we're three days in, it's a little hard to answer that one just yet.
So, then your entire post is a waste of time right now. And the "outrage" that we're seeing from the media is also fabricated.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:07 am to BugAC
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So then you agree, the posters premise that if the left did this, that we'd be melting, is false.
Have you never heard of "Bidenomics"?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:07 am to cajungoalie
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Like maybe a little negotaition and patience (moderate) instead of scorched earth all at once.
Because that has worked so well in the past. Our country has been taken advantage of by foreigners and the left because we've been afraid to forcefully put America first. This country needed an enema. Trump is it.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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Have you never heard of "Bidenomics"?
Have you? If you're distilling Bidenomics down to "well it was Trump's tariffs" then you are even stupider than we all thought.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:11 am to wackatimesthree
I'm buying stock like crazy even though I have no idea how this will all go. I figure if Trump knows what he's doing, we'll recover and the markets will soar. If he doesn't know what he's doing, we're in real trouble and my cash would have been worthless either way.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:12 am to BugAC
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fairly
I said it in another topic and I'll say it here: people should be very, very skeptical when that word is used as the rationale for government action.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:14 am to BugAC
Amazes me. The OP appeared to question why Domocracies only last 2-300 years. Then proceeds to make a case that it's due to tariffs and the "populist" that "don't understand them" clapping for them.
All the while ignoring 137 years of this thing called tariffs creating wealth and not ending the nation.
But what really gets funny is when you point out iPhones are sold at a discount in China, who protects their industry, to compete with their phones.
Tariffs should have raised the prices to the chinese people if you believe people like the OP. It should have ended competition and that raises prices.
Maybe the OP is just wrong.
All the while ignoring 137 years of this thing called tariffs creating wealth and not ending the nation.
But what really gets funny is when you point out iPhones are sold at a discount in China, who protects their industry, to compete with their phones.
Tariffs should have raised the prices to the chinese people if you believe people like the OP. It should have ended competition and that raises prices.
Maybe the OP is just wrong.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:16 am to wackatimesthree
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However, that's not what this board wants. They want protectionism and manufacturing brought back to America. Forcing free trade is Globalism. It's an expansion of NAFTA. It ensures that even more American jobs will be outsourced, not brought back here.
Your assumption that all countries will play ball is extremely flawed.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:17 am to Lakeboy7
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We didn’t elect Sociopaths as President before Trump.
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LBJ loved showing off his, uh, “equipment” (nicknamed “Jumbo” by him), whipping it out to intimidate or impress people during private talks—like when he asked a stunned aide, “Have you ever seen anything as big as this?” The guy was 6’4”, crude as hell, and ran the country like a barnyard king. Oh, and he once peed on a Secret Service agent’s leg while shielding him from wind at the ranch, laughing when the guy flinched.
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Washington crossed the Delaware River on Christmas night, 1776. Picture this: Washington, standing in a rickety boat, leading a ragtag army through icy waters in a snowstorm to launch a surprise attack on Hessian mercenaries in Trenton. The crossing was so chaotic that some soldiers nearly drowned, and the army was half-dead from exhaustion and cold. Yet, Washington pulled it off, won the battle, and turned the tide of the Revolutionary War.
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Jackson’s life was a treasure trove of insanity—he fought in duels, survived assassination attempts (one guy’s pistols misfired, so Jackson beat him with his cane), and even brought his pet parrot, Poll, to his wife’s funeral, only for it to start swearing loudly during the service. But that inauguration riot? Peak presidential madness.
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JQA loved skinny-dipping in the Potomac River every morning during his presidency (1825–1829). He also had a pet alligator
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