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re: If the optimism of yesterday is legit, did the media screw themselve with the doomcasting?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
Were their models way off and wrong?
Or
Did Trump’s leadership and task force’s efforts save us from doom and mitigate millions of lost lives?
If they try the ‘maybe it wasn’t as bad as we thought’ route, does the whole (false) narrative of Trump not taking not seriously get further destroyed?
Or
Did Trump’s leadership and task force’s efforts save us from doom and mitigate millions of lost lives?
If they try the ‘maybe it wasn’t as bad as we thought’ route, does the whole (false) narrative of Trump not taking not seriously get further destroyed?
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 10:34 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Nope. CDC used to have global health monitoring including in China. Trump slashed it and handed that role to WHO, which gets pushed around by authoritarian govts. We naively trusted WHO and used to have resources of our own that could've mimimized our damage. Every country in the world bends these curves eventually. But they're going to end up with massively different levels of economic disruption.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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they're in the same boat with the medical cocktail they've decided to build a media wall around criticizing Trump over promoting
more and more evidence is growing that #TrumpPills are a winner.
they are going to have a hard time walking that back

Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:32 am to TigerDoc
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CDC used to have global health monitoring including in China. Trump slashed it and handed that role to WHO, which gets pushed around by authoritarian govts.
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We naively trusted WHO
so you think the media is going to blame this on the WHO?
and you think that will hurt Trump?
what next? is the media going to say China lied and we can't trust them? or that we need to move manufacturing back to the state?
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 10:34 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:34 am to JuiceTerry
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100 - 200 thousand was the number put out by the Presidential Task Force
Trump said on Sunday that he's optimistic that we can come in below the lower end of that number though
Honestly at this point if it's 60K deaths you probably have to say that we did a pretty good job of handling the situation.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
The U.S. is the WHO's largest donor. Keeping grips on it and not letting it be run by people from third-world shite-holes like Ethiopia is a failing that needs to be addressed.
How the U.S. lets things like the WHO, the UN, the World Bank, etc., be run like they are despite our funding and influence is a great mystery.
How the U.S. lets things like the WHO, the UN, the World Bank, etc., be run like they are despite our funding and influence is a great mystery.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
Public health including pandemic-preparation cuts and lots of evidence that he spent energy on political messaging instead of actual preparation are what they'll argue (which is what you asked, right?)
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:36 am to TigerDoc
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Public health including pandemic-preparation cuts and lots of evidence that he spent energy on political messaging instead of actual preparation are what they'll argue (which is what you asked, right?)
So, yall got heeemmmmm this time, amirite?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:37 am to TigerDoc
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Nope. CDC used to have global health monitoring including in China. Trump slashed it and handed that role to WHO, which gets pushed around by authoritarian govts. We naively trusted WHO and used to have resources of our own that could've mimimized our damage. Every country in the world bends these curves eventually. But they're going to end up with massively different levels of economic disruption.
You’re an inveterate liar.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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what are they going to go with? that he got lucky?
They’re gonna say that trump was talked down by his advisers and he caved and listened. If the advisers hadn’t stepped up to stop trump, millions would be dead.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:38 am to TigerDoc
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Public health including pandemic-preparation cuts
This was proven false by the Obama appointee who formerly held the position.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:39 am to TigerDoc
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Public health including pandemic-preparation cuts and lots of evidence that he spent energy on political messaging instead of actual preparation are what they'll argue (which is what you asked, right?)
yeah i asked the question, but your previous post said that they're going to blame this on the WHO
that is red meat for Trump supporters. you got the "muh globalism" angle. the Chinese influence angle. etc.
and Trump's early tweets are still a potential issue, but if this ISN'T as bad, then those tweets get defended a bit

Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:40 am to fillmoregandt
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Were their models way off and wrong?
Or
Did Trump’s leadership and task force’s efforts save us from doom and millions of lost lives?
The narrative will be painfully predictable.
1. Trump wanted to do nothing. Thus, the media should be thanked for challenging that approach and saving countless lives that would have been lost (according to the original apocalyptic models)
2. The 20k, 40k, 50k, who may die from this by November is still a huge number that could have easily been saved had Trump not waited so long to act
3. If/when we "reopen" the country there will inevitably continue to be people who die from covid-related complications. Thus, Trumps eagerness to appease Wall Street is the reason for those deaths...that could have been avoided had we simply remained under lock a key for (insert minimal amount of time their models show would have been effective)
In short, he'll get ZERO credit for the death toll falling well short of initial doomsday projections and FULL blame for all repercussions of this event. Rinse and repeat
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:41 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The U.S. is the WHO's largest donor.
and when Trump comes in to slash their support the Globalist media (like Pavlov's dog) will defend the WHO, an organization whose know lies contributed to the deaths of thousands of Americans.
So once again the public will clearly see media take the side of the bad guys vs. Trump
Checkmate for Trump.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
We were left to rely on WHO because we degraded our capacity. Not arguing that this will become mainstream public opinion, but don't be surprised if you see this messaging.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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did the media screw themselve with the doomcasting?
We can only hope. They need to get screwed, don't really care how or by whom.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:44 am to Alt26
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1. Trump wanted to do nothing. Thus, the media should be thanked for challenging that approach and saving countless lives that would have been lost (according to the original apocalyptic models)
The fact the Trump so Quickly initiated the travel bans (and the subsequent push back from Schumer/etc “xenophobe!”) should debunk this claim pretty easily
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:44 am to TigerDoc
1). There’s still a CDC office in China. It was cut by 66% in employees under Trump’s watch.
2). The WHO wasn’t even being allowed full access to the situation and the data. They still aren’t. We could’ve had 3M people working in the CDC office in Beijing and nothing would have ostensibly changed
2). The WHO wasn’t even being allowed full access to the situation and the data. They still aren’t. We could’ve had 3M people working in the CDC office in Beijing and nothing would have ostensibly changed
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:44 am to TigerDoc
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We were left to rely on WHO because we degraded our capacity.
What was our former "capacity" to act in a place like China with regard to something like this? What exactly are you suggesting was dismantled that would have been able to do something differerntly here that would have possibly changed things in any significant way at all?
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