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re: If people think hydroxychloroquine is the cure they will be less cautious
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:39 am to Metaloctopus
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:39 am to Metaloctopus
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But it is beneficial, in the short term, to slow down the death toll.
There is nothing conclusive as far as science is concerned that this is the case.
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:41 am to stout
quote:i don't totally have a problem with that. my problem is that trump is not looking at the big picture and still has everyone sequestered while the country crumbles. he's the one who needs to have a broader view than just the medical community and he seems like he is backing down which is highly uncharacteristic
I understand why he isn't 100% ready to say it is our answer.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:42 am to AndyJ
quote:where did you get this data?
99% of doctors aren’t celebrating this as a cure... just cautiously optimistic
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:50 am to sicboy
quote:Isn't this an FDA approved drug, though, already? Why would we be concerned it would do something it isn't doing already?
I know everyone here will have a conspiracy theory, but I imagine they don't want to put something out there that yes, could get rid of COVID, but a month down the road makes 60% of people's bladder explode or something.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:58 am to blzr
quote:it is a huge HUGE problem. it's unsustainable and we really are going to crash the healthcare system and that's not based on a subjective model for the virus. that's based on economic reality
TD experts convinced its the cure is the problem
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:05 am to Adam Banks
quote:there's no way you really need a link for this. it's been all over
Link?
quote:i haven't seen a study that says it's not beneficial. i haven't heard one person from the medical community say anything like that
There are very small studies that take both sides of this
quote:this is not a reason to not take the drug if you're in the target demographic and are infected
few that says it does nothing and then has an added risk of arrhythmias
quote:why are we shutting down the country because a physician has concerns about drug trials?
His job as the scientist is to say what he has been saying
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:07 am to stout
quote:false
There is nothing conclusive as far as science is concerned that this is the case
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:08 am to sicboy
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Maybe that's just how medicine works
I know everyone here will have a conspiracy theory, but I imagine they don't want to put something out there that yes, could get rid of COVID, but a month down the road makes 60% of people's bladder explode or something.
This drug has been around for YEARS. It’s nothing new. It either works or it doesn’t. We already know it doesn’t kill you or have bad side effects.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:09 am to Adam Banks
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Link?
There are very small studies that take both sides of this. A few that says it does nothing and then has an added risk of arrhythmias. A few that says its an absolute cure!1!1!!
His job as the scientist is to say what he has been saying. There’s a possibility that it’s beneficial but we don’t know. It’s available for Doctors to prescribe if they want to try.
It has had a near 100% success rate in tests in several different countries. That means that whoever is saying it "does nothing" are complete idiots, who probably are in line with the rest of the lying, lunatic left.
So what if there are some minor symptoms? I said it should be given to at risk patients. Because they are pretty much all dying when they get the virus. What's worse? POSSIBLE arrhythmias, or death?
His job is to help save lives. Sometimes you have to consider the reward over slight risks. But the guy is a hack.
He wants people to shelter in place, or practice "social distancing" till there are NO NEW CASES. His words. The guy is nuts. There is no way someone in his position would make such an asinine statement, if he were just "doing his job", as his defenders keep repeating. He is clearly a deep state actor who is doing everything he can to keep panic high, and influence states into shutting more and more down.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 11:13 am
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:12 am to bfniii
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there's no way you really need a link for this. it's been all over
These used to be common
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i haven't seen a study that says it's not beneficial. i
LINK
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i haven't heard one person from the medical community say anything like that
Ive heard plenty say I hope it works, worth a shot
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this is not a reason to not take the drug if you're in the target demographic and are infected
I agree. If I had no baseline heart issues then absolutely I would be hopeful and take it. Doesnt mean that it works
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why are we shutting down the country because a physician has concerns about drug trials?
No the country is shut down because its the only thing that has been proven to slow the spread for a disease which we have no proven cure.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:14 am to stout
The global data isn’t looking at encouraging as it originally was. But in this bubble of picking and choosing facts that won’t register.
It’s safe enough and provides a benefit enough to warrant proscribing, but it doesn’t look like the wonder drug it was originally made out to be by the French study. Something like 15-20% better than just treating symptoms.
Fewer than 40% of global docs really noted a uptick in outcomes in prescribed patients vs non prescribed patients.
It’s safe enough and provides a benefit enough to warrant proscribing, but it doesn’t look like the wonder drug it was originally made out to be by the French study. Something like 15-20% better than just treating symptoms.
Fewer than 40% of global docs really noted a uptick in outcomes in prescribed patients vs non prescribed patients.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:15 am to Metaloctopus
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It has had a near 100% success rate in tests in several different countries.
Link?
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POSSIBLE arrhythmias,
Can cause
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death?
Would I take it? sure! Is it the job of Fauci to recommend a treatment which has no proven benefit-absolutely not. In fact its the opposite.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:18 am to Metaloctopus
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It has had a near 100% success rate in tests in several different countries.
Yep. I remember those papers. They talked of the wonders of the drug, how it took someone they expected to die on the respirator to being discharged from the ICU in 3-5 days.
And yet there is another thread on this board with the conspiracy hat on insisting they are setting up the drug trail to fail by giving it only to the ones on a vent.
Which is it? Is it a miracle drug or it needs to be given to people who may not even need it to be “effective?”
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:20 am to bfniii
quote:The target demo is largely people who are obese or have heart disease. Adding a drug that affects your heart rate should concern health professionals. If you don't have those then you likely will recover on your own.
this is not a reason to not take the drug if you're in the target demographic and are infected
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:24 am to stout
People are mad at Fauci because they slept through high school level science classes where you’re supposed to learn about double blind studies. He’s absolutely right about there needing to be a controlled study. Anecdotal evidence doesn’t cut it in the medical community, nor should it.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:25 am to Adam Banks
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Link?
LINK /
LINK /
I don't know why you're pretending you haven't seen or heard any of this. And if you really haven't, you shouldn't be arguing about it.
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Would I take it? sure! Is it the job of Fauci to recommend a treatment which has no proven benefit-absolutely not. In fact its the opposite.
So we're cool with giving people narcotics, which do nothing but numb the pain (and your brain), do nothing to fix the problem, and cause life altering addictions, often resulting in death... But THIS thing, we have to be SUPER careful about, right?
Stop and think about it.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:28 am to stout
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I think it does too from all the various reports, but honestly, there is nothing 100% conclusive yet from a wide-scale usage. That is all he is waiting for.
The patient is bleeding. Sometimes you don’t get to be 100% sure.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:31 am to stout
You do know, we can ignore the Italian gnome. No one elected him.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 11:33 am to Volvagia
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Yep. I remember those papers. They talked of the wonders of the drug, how it took someone they expected to die on the respirator to being discharged from the ICU in 3-5 days.
And yet there is another thread on this board with the conspiracy hat on insisting they are setting up the drug trail to fail by giving it only to the ones on a vent.
Which is it? Is it a miracle drug or it needs to be given to people who may not even need it to be “effective?
I haven't heard anything about it taking someone on the brink of death back to full recovery. That seems unlikely. If you give it to an at risk patient early enough, however, it has proven to work, thus far. As opposed to all the other at risk patients who are, you know, dying?
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