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If people think hydroxychloroquine is the cure they will be less cautious
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:00 am
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:00 am
Perhaps that is why Fauci has to downplay it?
I don't trust the guy but I am not sure why everyone gets all riled up just because he isn't on TV claiming that we have the answer. Maybe we do, but for right now he has to downplay it so that people keep trying to slow the spread.
You have people already ignoring the recommendations put in place. Can you imagine how bad it would be if we have a treatment that works for some?
I don't trust the guy but I am not sure why everyone gets all riled up just because he isn't on TV claiming that we have the answer. Maybe we do, but for right now he has to downplay it so that people keep trying to slow the spread.
You have people already ignoring the recommendations put in place. Can you imagine how bad it would be if we have a treatment that works for some?
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 10:04 am
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Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:03 am to stout
Maybe that's just how medicine works 
I know everyone here will have a conspiracy theory, but I imagine they don't want to put something out there that yes, could get rid of COVID, but a month down the road makes 60% of people's bladder explode or something.
I know everyone here will have a conspiracy theory, but I imagine they don't want to put something out there that yes, could get rid of COVID, but a month down the road makes 60% of people's bladder explode or something.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:04 am to sicboy
That too.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:04 am to stout
It works. And if it works then he needs to be touting it.
Are we going to stay in our houses forever? The point is that we shouldn't have to be cautious (except for reasonable things like not coughing on each other, or visiting older people if we're sick). We should be able to go back to our lives, if there is a treatment. We didn't let any other virus stop us in our tracks, so why do we need to live in fear now?
Are we going to stay in our houses forever? The point is that we shouldn't have to be cautious (except for reasonable things like not coughing on each other, or visiting older people if we're sick). We should be able to go back to our lives, if there is a treatment. We didn't let any other virus stop us in our tracks, so why do we need to live in fear now?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:04 am to sicboy
except it is in use for other things
Maybe when the Chinese built it they knew it would also react violently to hydro....
Maybe when the Chinese built it they knew it would also react violently to hydro....
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:06 am to sicboy
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I know everyone here will have a conspiracy theory, but I imagine they don't want to put something out there that yes, could get rid of COVID, but a month down the road makes 60% of people's bladder explode or something.
It's already been used to treat malaria for a long time. No one's bladder explodes.
There is no side effect that they would not already know about. So all that is left is to see how effective it is, and so far, it has had tremendous success.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:07 am to Metaloctopus
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It works. And if it works then he needs to be touting it.
I think it does too from all the various reports, but honestly, there is nothing 100% conclusive yet from a wide-scale usage. That is all he is waiting for.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:08 am to stout
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Perhaps that is why Fauci has to downplay it?
I don't trust the guy but I am not sure why everyone gets all riled up just because he isn't on TV singing claiming that we have the answer. Maybe we do, but for right now he has to downplay it so that people keep trying to slow the spread.
You have people already ignoring the recommendations put in place. Can you imagine how bad it would be if we have a treatment that works for some?
Is he actually downplaying it? He's just saying it seems promising, but we don't how effective it actually is because it hasn't been studied. All true. Just know, it is in very wide in NYC and Docs can generally prescribe if they want to. I know our docs ae burning through a ton of it. They must be finding value in doing so, so that's the good news. At the same time, some people are still passing on. So we are where we were, it's a promising drug that we don't have a great handle on how well it works that is in use anyway. What else would we want?
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:09 am to Metaloctopus
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It's already been used to treat malaria for a long time. No one's bladder explodes.
It has other side effects and in this case it is also being used with other medications and a lot of elderly very sick people.
Not defending him or downplaying the drug. Just saying I understand why he isn't 100% ready to say it is our answer.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:10 am to stout
It’s weird that he is viewed Negatively by some (most people here ) for not celebrating this as a cure. In fact, 99% of doctors aren’t celebrating this as a cure... just cautiously optimistic.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:10 am to longwayfromLA
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hat else would we want?
People seem bothered he hasn't declared it as the answer. Probably mostly because people are scared and want to hold onto hope that this works. I get it.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:12 am to stout
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I think it does too from all the various reports, but honestly, there is nothing 100% conclusive yet from a wide-scale usage. That is all he is waiting for.
I'm ok with him not saying "this is THE cure". That's fine, if he wants to wait. But what other option has he brought forth, is my issue? This drug, to date, is the best option we have. On one hand, he wants to go to the utter extreme to "protect ourselves" by literally shutting everything down, but then on the other hand, he doesn't want to push for something that is proving to help people, because he doesn't know if it's perfect?
Either the objective is to help people or it isn't. I think the guy is a fraud.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:13 am to stout
I totally agree
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:14 am to AndyJ
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It’s weird that he is viewed Negatively by some (most people here ) for not celebrating this as a cure. In fact, 99% of doctors aren’t celebrating this as a cure... just cautiously optimistic.
The reporting of his words:
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“That was not a very robust study,” replied Fauci, a member of the White House coronavirus task force. He also pointed out that while there’s still a possibility of a “beneficial effect,” the scale and strength of the evidence is not “overwhelmingly strong.”
It must be tough to have pretty accurate views held by most professionals spun to the point where both sides hate you on a daily basis. O don't envy that guy.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:14 am to Metaloctopus
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But what other option has he brought forth
There are numerous vaccines being fast-tracked. Some are already on stage 2 of clinical trials. He has said so numerous times as has Trump.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:14 am to stout
TD experts convinced its the cure is the problem
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:18 am to stout
I know the end of the world is near, Stout and Sicboy are on the PT board talking about malaria drugs.
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:24 am to stout
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There are numerous vaccines being fast-tracked. Some are already on stage 2 of clinical trials. He has said so numerous times as has Trump.
And that's fantastic. I keep hearing every day that someone has discovered a vaccine. But that takes a long time, even "fast tracked" to complete.
In the meantime, at risk patients could be taking something that keeps them from dying. These are the only people who ARE dying from the virus. I don't need a drug or a vaccine. But instead of hearing about people dying, and being sold all of these over the top predictions of how many more will die and constantly having our lock downs extended, let's give the at risk people the drug. If I get the virus, I can recover. If an older or unhealthy person gets it, right now, they aren't recovering very often.
No one is asking Fauci to declare this drug as the permanent answer. But it is beneficial, in the short term, to slow down the death toll.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:37 am to Metaloctopus
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No one is asking Fauci to declare this drug as the permanent answer. But it is beneficial, in the short term, to slow down the death toll .
Link?
There are very small studies that take both sides of this. A few that says it does nothing and then has an added risk of arrhythmias. A few that says its an absolute cure!1!1!!
His job as the scientist is to say what he has been saying. There’s a possibility that it’s beneficial but we don’t know. It’s available for Doctors to prescribe if they want to try.
This post was edited on 4/4/20 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/4/20 at 10:38 am to stout
what difference does it make. unless you move to the moon and grow your own food, you have to face up to this virus at some point. it doesn't have an expiration date
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