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re: If people start having serious long term side effects from the vaccine
Posted on 9/28/21 at 5:53 pm to Bulldogblitz
Posted on 9/28/21 at 5:53 pm to Bulldogblitz
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It will still be blamed on covid and the unvaxed
And Trump and the republicans per usual
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 6:29 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Not completely though. They have identified genes that are possibly linked; it's still not black and white and they only go looking for those genes AFTER you become chronically ill.
We also know what genes are linked to autoimmune disease, and what HLA alleles are linked to autoimmune disease.
quote:That link just confirms that the AS03-adjuvant alone is not what caused it.
This link says otherwise?
quote:I agree with this. I don't think we'll see AI illnesses with the vaccine that we don't also see from natural infection. My point is that it will be quite some time before we know if there is an increased incidence rate. Even if the IR is the same, it is my opinion that it should be an individual's choice on how to best protect their health since medicine cannot clearly and completely identify an individual's risk, nor do they care. Mandating the vaccine is gambling with people's lives.
skeptical that the long-term effects of the vaccine would be distinctly different from the long-term effects of natural infection
Posted on 9/28/21 at 6:41 pm to OGM
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My point is that it will be quite some time before we know if there is an increased incidence rate.
I mean, the presentation of AI diseases isn't exactly hidden. We should know if there is an increased IR of note within a much shorter time frame than people think.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 6:41 pm to Jax-Tiger
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cancer
The rumor that mRNA vaccines contribute to increased risk of cancer, as reported by the rogue science rag Natural News, is fake news and fear porn.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 6:47 pm to tarzana
thanks Dr Tarzana
Posted on 9/28/21 at 6:52 pm to momentoftruth87
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Biden will be dead before long term effects show. He will probably kick the bucket before his term is over. He literally shits himself.
Biden will leave office on 21 January 2022. One day after 2 full years.
That will be the day that allows Kamala to take over and still run for 2 more terms.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 7:09 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I mean, the presentation of AI diseases isn't exactly hidden. We should know if there is an increased IR of note within a much shorter time frame than people think.
I mean, the presentation of AI diseases isn't exactly hidden. We should know if there is an increased IR of note within a much shorter time frame than people think.
Each time a Dr steps forward and says they are seeing significant increased diseases
in vaccinates patients they are immediately labeled as quacks.
You simply don’t want to hear or acknowledge it.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 7:39 pm to crazy4lsu
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Just did a quick overview, and his notion that 'leaky' vaccines will breed highly infectious variants can't just be limited to vaccines, if that makes sense
Yes it does, but here is a more nuanced quote from Geert.
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The current situation is highly problematic as ALL segments of the population will dramatically suffer from a situation where anti-S Abs still bind strongly enough to suppress the vaccinee’s innate immune response against non-mutable, highly conserved Coronavirus (CoV) motifs while no longer being able to sufficiently neutralize highly infectious variants. Instead, poor binding affinity of anti-RBD (receptor-binding domain) Abs to Sars-CoV-2 S protein as a result of mutations in the N-terminal domain (NTD) could tip the scale in favor of infection-enhancing Abs and thereby make vaccinees prone to suffering Ab-dependent enhancement (ADE) of Covid-19 disease (1) (Liu et al., 2021; Yahi N et al., 2021).
LINK
Posted on 9/29/21 at 6:37 am to bamadontcare
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Each time a Dr steps forward and says they are seeing significant increased diseases
in vaccinates patients they are immediately labeled as quacks.
This is part of the reason for my OP. A lot of very powerful people are very heavily invested in this vaccine being able to save the world. Anything that suggests that the vaccine can do harm or is not the miracle drug that will save us all, is going to be deep sixed, along with the messenger who brings the news.
The vaccinated should be especially mindful, since they potentially could be effected the most. Especially if they plan on getting a booster, or plan on giving their kids the vaccine.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 6:43 am to Jax-Tiger
Not if but when
Posted on 9/29/21 at 6:48 am to Jax-Tiger
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Jax-Tiger
What a ridiculous statement. The vaccine exposes people to a version of the flu pretty much in order to build immunity in the future.
Does the flu cause cancer, strokes, heart attacks, etc. ?
What do you do for a living that makes you a subject matter expert?
What formal or on the job medical training have you received for you to feel justified to make such a bold statement?
I’ll wait on your response.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 7:26 am to Jax-Tiger
Im more concerned with a mental health crisis associated with the vaxxed. Of course the media wont report it that way and instead we'll be told more govt regulations are needed
Posted on 9/29/21 at 7:45 am to Jax-Tiger
Vaccine side effects have always occurred within a few months of vaccination. COVID is a known health detriment. It's dumb to speculate about long term vaccine side effects without evidence.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 7:46 am to Whiznot
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without evidence.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 7:51 am to Whiznot
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without evidence.
:rotflmao:Posted on 9/29/21 at 8:02 am to Jax-Tiger
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Let's say that 2, 3, or 4 years down the road, vaccinated people start having a sharp increase in cancer, neurological disorders, auto-immune disorders, strokes/heart attacks, and other fatal or crippling health issues
Your post is an interesting thought exercise, however the chances of that happening are probably 1 in a million. Those chances are way less than the opposite scenario - that Covid’s long term effects turn out to be horrific, and the vaccines were even more important than we realized.
I had Covid in December 2020 and I was vaccinated in March 2021. I caught Covid because I’m healthy and did not cower in fear. I got vaccinated because it’s an excellent gamble and I did not cower in fear. If you are afraid of needles, or something, then fine. Other than that, not getting vaccinated is stupid.
I think vaccine mandates, like other vaccine mandates that have been around for more than a century, are a good idea. Get vaccinated, stupid!
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 8:05 am
Posted on 9/29/21 at 8:09 am to Jax-Tiger
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The vaccine stays with you for years, if not a lifetime. I can't reverse it. What is the long term effect to my immune system? Who knows? I can say this: If someone finds a correlation between these vaccines and AI diseases, they will be absolutely destroyed.
Who told you or where did you read that the vaccine stays in your system for years or a lifetime?
Posted on 9/29/21 at 8:22 am to Numberwang
[quote]Barely even consider them people.[/quote
Though one side of me agrees with this mindset...the other side realizes that it is very spiritually dangerous. It opens the strategy door for "whatever it takes". NWS that the Dems are already there; they throw Trump Nation in Gitmo for "re-education" at a heartbeat, if they could.
Bullies will bully, until they get broken nose. Then, only the real warriors double down to fierce battle. After watching the Dems cower under their desk on Jan. 6, I don't know of a single Dem who'd show up if they thought their life was at stake. The are brave, if it's somebody else's life...but terrified at the sacrifice of their own. JMO.
The commentary to the OP is the norm for our Board; it may well be that the reason for the all-in coercion for ALL PEOPLE to be vaxxed, is so that the dire consequences of the vaccine can not be correlated, and blame/accountability assigned. They will do anything, to force vaccination. Very soon. I suspect that the CCP has the next 'Variant' locked and loaded, for next year's MidTerms, as we type.
Though one side of me agrees with this mindset...the other side realizes that it is very spiritually dangerous. It opens the strategy door for "whatever it takes". NWS that the Dems are already there; they throw Trump Nation in Gitmo for "re-education" at a heartbeat, if they could.
Bullies will bully, until they get broken nose. Then, only the real warriors double down to fierce battle. After watching the Dems cower under their desk on Jan. 6, I don't know of a single Dem who'd show up if they thought their life was at stake. The are brave, if it's somebody else's life...but terrified at the sacrifice of their own. JMO.
The commentary to the OP is the norm for our Board; it may well be that the reason for the all-in coercion for ALL PEOPLE to be vaxxed, is so that the dire consequences of the vaccine can not be correlated, and blame/accountability assigned. They will do anything, to force vaccination. Very soon. I suspect that the CCP has the next 'Variant' locked and loaded, for next year's MidTerms, as we type.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 10:54 am to Penrod
Study: 37 percent of COVID-19 patients report at least one long-term symptom
A large study released Wednesday found 37 percent of patients developed at least one long-term COVID-19 symptom three to six months after their infection, as scientists work to pin down the prevalence of the mysterious condition.
The University of Oxford and the National Institute for Health Research-Oxford Health Biomedical Research Centre determined that long COVID-19 symptoms were more common among people who were hospitalized and slightly more frequent among women.
Researchers analyzed data from more than 270,000 coronavirus survivors to identify the “nine core” long-term symptoms, including anxiety and depression, abnormal breathing, abdominal symptoms, pain and fatigue.
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Older people and men were more likely to report breathing difficulties and cognitive problems in the study, while younger people and women documented more headaches, abdominal symptoms and anxiety and depression.
The study did not examine the causes, severity and duration of long COVID-19 symptoms. But it did compare long COVID-19 symptoms to those recovering from influenza and found people were 1.5 times more likely to develop the symptoms after COVID-19 infection.
Researchers said the study exemplified how many coronavirus survivors could be dealing with ongoing symptoms and called for more investigation. LINK
A large study released Wednesday found 37 percent of patients developed at least one long-term COVID-19 symptom three to six months after their infection, as scientists work to pin down the prevalence of the mysterious condition.
The University of Oxford and the National Institute for Health Research-Oxford Health Biomedical Research Centre determined that long COVID-19 symptoms were more common among people who were hospitalized and slightly more frequent among women.
Researchers analyzed data from more than 270,000 coronavirus survivors to identify the “nine core” long-term symptoms, including anxiety and depression, abnormal breathing, abdominal symptoms, pain and fatigue.
ADVERTISEMENT
Older people and men were more likely to report breathing difficulties and cognitive problems in the study, while younger people and women documented more headaches, abdominal symptoms and anxiety and depression.
The study did not examine the causes, severity and duration of long COVID-19 symptoms. But it did compare long COVID-19 symptoms to those recovering from influenza and found people were 1.5 times more likely to develop the symptoms after COVID-19 infection.
Researchers said the study exemplified how many coronavirus survivors could be dealing with ongoing symptoms and called for more investigation. LINK
Posted on 9/29/21 at 11:03 am to Jax-Tiger
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Let's say that 2, 3, or 4 years down the road
Why stop there?
Why not 10 years, 20 years, or 50 years?
I don’t think you have a background in science or healthcare.
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