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re: If Drag Queens intentions are pure, why don't they simply wear their everyday clothes

Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:35 am to
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:35 am to
Both are better than Frank Diprima, wouldn't you agree?

Hanks' idea of a good source, obliterated by Shorty Rob....
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55659 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:38 am to
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Did you seriously just cite the Urban Dictionary as a source for defining "grooming?" That may be better than Gateway Pundit, though.



Pathetic attempt.


LINK

From Rainn.org:


1- Victim selection: Abusers often observe possible victims and select them based on ease of access to them or their perceived vulnerability.

2- Gaining access and isolating the victim: Abusers will attempt to physically or emotionally separate a victim from those protecting them and often seek out positions in which they have contact with minors.

3- Trust development and keeping secrets: Abusers attempt to gain trust of a potential victim through gifts, attention, sharing “secrets” and other means to make them feel that they have a caring relationship and to train them to keep the relationship secret.

4- Desensitization to touch and discussion of sexual topics: Abusers will often start to touch a victim in ways that appear harmless, such as hugging, wrestling and tickling, and later escalate to increasingly more sexual contact, such as massages or showering together. Abusers may also show the victim pornography or discuss sexual topics with them, to introduce the idea of sexual contact.


5- Attempt by abusers to make their behavior seem natural, to avoid raising suspicions. For teens, who may be closer in age to the abuser, it can be particularly hard to recognize tactics used in grooming. Be alert for signs that your teen has a relationship with an adult that includes secrecy, undue influence or control, or pushes personal boundaries.


POS!
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:39 am to
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I am obviously not asserting that any of you are alone in your views.
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No, you're just lying

Then point #4 isn't particularly applicable, is it?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:41 am to
You need to check out this link.

What Hank considers to be a reliable source is a complete joke.

If only for the entertainment value, it's fun watching Shorty Rob totally eviscerate him:

Hanks' idea of a good source

Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28182 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:42 am to
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Desensitization


Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63089 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:46 am to
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Pathetic attempt.


LINK

From Rainn.org:



Rational people would say, "I have an issue with the term you are using...however, let me opine on what you are referencing. Then they would presumably agree or disagree.

Hank says "You are using the wrong term...therefore what you are referencing doesn't exist...and isn't a problem."

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:50 am to
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Desensitization
So, we are in agreement that this sort of Story Hour is "desensitization" rather than first-person "grooming." I certainly agree that it has that aspect to it and that some level of desensitization is a goal of the organization.

And I THINK that we are in agreement that what we are ACTUALLY discussing is "whether desensitization is a good thing" or (at least) to what extent.

Apparently, most of the posters think that the goal of the desensitization is to eventually turn all these kids into gays, or trannies, or queers, or furries, or drag queens. By contrast, I think the goal of the desensitization is just to reduce stigma. And a handful of posters seem to think that even the idea of reducing stigma is anathema to Western Civilization.

Glad we finally got that cleared-up.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139056 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:51 am to
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I do NOT accept the premise that reading to kids in outlandish costumes constitutes "grooming."
Which of course brings this full circle ... "If Drag Queens intentions are pure, why don't they simply wear their everyday clothes."
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41040 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:52 am to
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Why do circus clowns wear their makeup when performing for kids? Certainly they could do magic tricks and tie balloon animals in street clothes, right?



Being a clown isn't based on your sexuality or sexual preferences. The entirety of being a drag queen is based on those factors. Of course, you knew that but were desperate to try to analogize your political movement's evil deviancy with something more innocent.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:53 am to
Odds: Does he call you a rube, attack your source or deny he said what he said?
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157980 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:54 am to
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goal of the desensitization is to eventually turn all these kids into gays, or trannies, or queers, or furries, or drag queens.


With the help of parents some will turn

How else to we explain the rise in trans kids and now even drag kids being highlighted.

You mentioned something about kids and trendy. Where do these trends come from?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:55 am to
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Rational people would say, "I have an issue with the term you are using...however, let me opine on what you are referencing. Then they would presumably agree or disagree.

Hank says "You are using the wrong term...therefore what you are referencing doesn't exist."
I am unsure what thread you have been reading. I have repeatedly acknowledged that the Story Hour DOES desensitize and that this is indeed probably one of the organization's goals.

The question is the GOAL of the desensitization. You see one goal (conversion of the entirety of the next generation to gays/trannies/drag performers), and I see another (removal or reduction of stigma). You think that makes me evil. I think that makes you histrionic.
Posted by roadGator
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Member since Feb 2009
157980 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:57 am to
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You see one goal (conversion of the entirety of the next generation to gays/trannies/drag performers)

Did he say that or are you doing that which you loathe?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139056 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 11:57 am to
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"desensitization" rather than first-person "grooming."
What pray tell (or should we say prey tell) do you suppose grooming is?

Allow me to help you. Grooming is desensitization designed to open the target up to more probable acceptance of sexual contact.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 12:00 pm to
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I do NOT accept the premise that reading to kids in outlandish costumes constitutes "grooming."
quote:

Which of course brings this full circle ... "If Drag Queens intentions are pure, why don't they simply wear their everyday clothes."

Yes. And it brings us back to essentially two sets of opinions: (a) a desire to convert an entire generation into gays/trannies and drag performers vs (b) a desire to lessen the stigma associated with being gay/trans or a drag performer.

As I see it, the illumination provided by this thread is that those who hold opinion (b) just tend to see the (a) group as being a bit silly or histrionic, while group (a) feels a need to demonize group (b).

It is an odd dynamic.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89081 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 12:03 pm to
You know, Hank, you said yesterday that people think you sound like Frasier or Niles.

I disagree.

You come across more as Oliver Wendell Douglas, with the pomposity of Charles Emerson Winchester.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 12:04 pm to
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You know, Hank, you said yesterday that people think you sound like Frasier or Niles.


He was lying.

Literally no one has ever said that to Hank.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 12:07 pm to
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Being a clown isn't based on your sexuality or sexual preferences.
Neither is being a drag performer. It is true that MOST drag performers are gay, but there are also straight men and even a handful of transgenders.
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The entirety of being a drag queen is based on those factors
That is directly at odds with the psychological literature. There are basically three groups who dress in clothing normally associated with the opposite gender. One is "trannies." They WANT to be women, and do not get sexual gratification from the clothing. VERY few of them do drag shows. Another is cross-dressers. Most are straight men with a fetish for women's clothing. There is DEFINITELY a sexual element to their sartorial selections, but very few of them do drag shows. Last is drag performers. They are largely comprised of gay men, with no desire whatsoever to transition into women. They dress to create oversized characters for their performances, and they do NOT generally get any sexual gratification from their attire.
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Of course, you knew that
Yes, I knew that. I have known it for decades, because I am well-read.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 12:08 pm to
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Yes, I knew that. I have known it for decades, because I am well-read.


Bless your heart.....
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28182 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 12:13 pm to
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So, we are in agreement


Nope. Weren’t you just whining about people putting words in your mouth.

Desensitizing is part of the grooming process. It is not the only part they’re doing and I never claimed it was, despite your dishonesty.
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