re: If Biden won 2020 legitimately

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There’s no way in hell Biden got 81 million legit votes. Or anything reasonably close to it (within a normal margin for error mistake or fraud).

We should all be open to understsnding why and how that happened.

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Again, why’s it matter?

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Of course there was still tons of fraud for Kamala in 2024. California does great work pumping those numbers for Dems w mass mail in and post election counting.

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The state with the largest change in votes in 2024 compared to 2020 was California, I believe

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What if it's proven he didn't? What would change?

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It literally is the same question that one could ask of the people who continued to investigate Lance Armstrong after he had "won" all of those races. It is a matter of correcting the understanding of history, and in the process, not repeating it. Until you can establish cheating, and exactly how it is/was accomplished, it follows the premise that "Those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."

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People who wouldn't normally get off the couch to go vote were willing to send in a mailed-in ballot.

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Or it was used to funnel complete control, harvest ballots, wear masks to cover identity and install the most worthless politician of all time Joe Biden.

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It literally is the same question that one could ask of the people who continued to investigate Lance Armstrong after he had "won" all of those races.

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Yeah. And in some of those years the like 4-th place guy is now the "official" winner. I bet you can't name a single one. So what?

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"Those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."

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It seems like the OP has already formed his opinion on it. No amount of evidence for/against it is going to change it.

Just trying to gauge where your mind set is at on this issue.

Have you ever tried arguing the other side of your questions before? People who believe the election is legitimate don’t care if you, a random citizen confirm it, they care if people in positions of authority do.

When Trump lied about the results of the 2020 election with no evidence, he used the credibility of his office to sell the lie. He’s the president of the United States, so no matter how much he stains his own credibility, the ethos associated with his office is strong enough that if he repeats the lie, millions will believe him because of the authority he holds and their own confirmation bias.

To look at a recent example, when Ossoff questions the potential DNI about whether Trump lost the election, he understands that each new high ranking official that refuses to condemn the lie, adds to the credibility of it for those who already believe.

Now you may ask, why would these people lie or not simply concede the issue? Well they have incentive not to. The person nominating them has made the 2020 lie a central part of his identity, so now it’s his strongest purity test for establishing loyalty among his followers.

On the other hand, if several right wing pundits and politicians were to come out and denounce the myth that the election was stolen, the lie would lose its credibility. Less people would believe it, and there would be more trust in our institutions than currently exists.

Now you may not buy any of this, but this would be the reason that anyone would want someone in a position of influence to denounce something that’s untrue.

Facts simply don’t stand on their own and never have. If every public official in the United States came out tomorrow and stated that they have proof the earth is flat, it wouldn’t matter if they did or not, people would believe them.

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What if it's proven he didn't? What would change? Answer: not a damn thing.

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I’m afraid you’re right, but that still doesn’t mean we lay down and accept the lies about the 2018/2020 elections, the origin of Covid 19, and Jan 6.

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SlowFlowPro

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Watching this poster pick no candidate in 2028 in order to continue playing contrarian for another 4 years will be hilarious.

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I’m afraid you’re right, but that still doesn’t mean we lay down and accept the lies about the 2018/2020 elections, the origin of Covid 19, and Jan 6.

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When it's being done at the expense of the current agenda, it's a waste of an opportunity.

The same poeple that say "everyone knows the 2020 election wasn't legitamate" are the same ones saying we have to expend all sorts of political capital to make sure "everyone knows". It's arse backwards.