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re: I have started to believe, the age to vote should be bumped up
Posted on 2/27/24 at 2:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 2/27/24 at 2:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
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"Hey, we can never convince them that our ideas are superior, so we should just tell them they can't vote".
I always wondered how that could be sold to the groups that would be targeted...
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 2:26 pm to Clemson_all_in1979
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And only men should vote as well
Again, whether someone thinks it's morally right or not, our system was designed for only male landowners to vote.
One could argue that it doesn't work as intended with the degree of universal suffrage that we've allowed at this point.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 2:28 pm to Wally Sparks
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I'm just saying, if you (and that's a "royal" you not you personally) want to make the minimum voting age 25, then you need to make everything else that same age to attain full legal rights.
Why does that logically follow?
We're talking about different activities with different capacities to affect other people. Why does it logically follow that they would all be deemed appropriate for the same age groups?
EDIT: I don't really think age should be the primary determinant of most of these considerations.
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 2/27/24 at 2:31 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Well, women gained the privilege without the risk of forced military conscription.
One could argue that it doesn't work as intended with the degree of universal suffrage that we've allowed at this point.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 2:34 pm to grizzlylongcut
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If you can’t pass a basic U.S. history and basic U.S. civics test, you can’t vote either.
At least those arent wholly dependent on being lucky enough to be granted property or money to buy property at 18.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 2:40 pm to ThuperThumpin
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At least those arent wholly dependent on being lucky enough to be granted property or money to buy property at 18.
Maybe that was at least part of the point.
Few 18 year olds could buy property at 18 and those who could were either especially industrious and therefore mature in ways that would be important to voting, or they had the support and guidance of responsible families informing their views.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:17 pm to wackatimesthree
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I don't really think age should be the primary determinant of most of these considerations.
I agree, though my point was that if you want someone to be an adult at 18 but have to wait another 7 years to vote, it's a bit ridiculous.
Overall, the whole think is a bit more nuanced than "lets limit voting to [insert unchangeable criteria here]."
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:32 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Well that’s basically how it was from 1776 to 1865 (sic) America. Are you saying you hate George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, or think that they are a-holes?
Nothing of the sort meister squirrel. Do you even Federalism bro?
Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:33 pm to Ricardo
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miltary
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why are they special
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because they have skin in the game
You do realize, most military are not combat arms?
Even so, why is a 22 year old in military any more deserving of a vote than a 22 year old engineer who pays taxes?
This whole blanket military worship is silly.
Plenty of people contribute to this country. Some are military, some aren't.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:45 pm to geauxbrown
Are you comparing growing up on a farm to somebody who didn't?
Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:46 pm to wackatimesthree
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Few 18 year olds could buy property at 18 and those who could were either especially industrious and therefore mature in ways that would be important to voting, or they had the support and guidance of responsible families informing their views.
If it was somehow limited to only property purchased through income earned through employment...Id still disagree with it but I would disagree a little less.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:48 pm to habz007
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And only one member of each household.
I can’t say I’m in agreement here. Curious though… why would you take this position?
Also, WHO makes that decision? I don't think my parents, my sister, & myself have EVER agreed on the same candidates when voting.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:54 pm to grizzlylongcut
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I have started to believe, the age to vote should be bumped up by grizzlylongcut
It shouldn’t be bumped up. It should be restricted. If you own property, if you are a male US citizen born here or a military installation, to legal US citizens, and if you can pass a knowledge test on basic U.S. history and civics, then can you vote.
The rest of you….sorry.
Sounds like you're saying "ONLY MALES can vote".
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:01 pm to whoa
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I agree. Don't think I've ever voted for just 1 party.
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I’ve never paid much attention to parties or party affiliations. I’ve always voted for the candidates that best reflect my values and ideas.
I agree. Don't think I've ever voted for just 1 party.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:06 pm to TigerAxeOK
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Also, if you receive SNAP and/or other low-income entitlements from the federal government, you should be disqualified as well. How we haven't already done this, is beyond me. A person who receives taxpayer funds from the federal government to sustain them, is going to vote in lockstep with the federal government. It's indentured voting servitude and should be illegal.
Yeah, because EVERYBODY is wealthy enough to live without it.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:10 pm to SantaFe
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I have started to believe, the age to vote should be bumped up by SantaFe
Lets keep the voting age at 18.
Also if a person owns land or a business have their vote count 100 times more than a person who owns nothing.
Also Citizens who are 33 or older and own land have their vote count 1000 times more than those who are 18 to 32 or own nothing.
& people complain about the # of voters & # votes not matching.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:12 pm to TejasHorn
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I have started to believe, the age to vote should be bumped up by TejasHorn
If you can be drafted to go fight and die in a war you should be able to vote for/against the politicians that put you there or might do so.
Yet you can't drink until 21.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:16 pm to Scruffy
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Well, women gained the privilege without the risk of forced military conscription.
That they did, and people have been griping ever since. In fact, it's a clear example of a law from the past that doesn't really jive with modern society.
Why make the same mistakes over and over?? Not every law is written in stone for the rest of time
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:16 pm to RollTide71
So, the results of voting DOESN'T affect those, per you, who aren't allowed to vote?
Posted on 2/27/24 at 4:17 pm to Privateer 2007
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This whole blanket military worship is silly.
Not talking about worship. Talking about having a vote at a young age.
Let's make it clear. Since you brought up, "Most military aren't combat arms." Most people don't pay taxes. The majority of Americans pay very little in federal tax relative to their income. That's a fact.
An 18 y/o has contributed next to nothing to his/her country, but gets the privilege to vote. When the average 18 y/o man was expected to fight for his country at a moment's notice this was an appropriate standard. Now? I don't think so. In fact, it's ridiculous when you consider what the average 18 y/o is.
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