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re: I have decided to vote Biden- Change My Mind
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:33 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:33 pm to deeprig9
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I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.
Obamacare did NOTHING to make healthcare more affordable or accessible for anyone. I agree people deserve affordable access but it's not happening with Sleepy Joe administration because he will just push an eventual national obamacare market that makes private and employee insurance plans impossible.
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I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term.
The free market is working on this and it will happen eventually without needing to partner with other nations. Cost and innovation will dictate everything so for the next few decades, cheap American oil and gas will provide the bridge.
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I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes.
All American companies do this to their advantage. The don't take their cash and hide it. They re-invest in their business which in turn creates jobs and additional tax revenue.
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I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up
You really think Kamala the DA would fix that? Team Trump has already been working on Criminal Justice Reform and pardoning or commuting the sentence of non-violent offenders.
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I want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship.
It is an issue that will need to be addressed but solving it starts with stopping the current flow of illegals.
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I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on, even if meagerly. It will incentivize people to get off public assistance and actually work for a living. Who would go to work for $8 an hr when the welfare benefits exceed that, to do nothing?
Raising minimum wage will not solve the problem. We need a way to provide hard working people who want to advance themselves more opportunities. To do so we need to keep this economy rolling. See point #3.
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I want a safety net social security system that isn't just a safety net, but a trampoline, that allows people to bounce back in many cases.
We need to replace SS with a national 401K plan. It would actually create wealth for people instead of just barely supporting the current roll of collectors. Biden would do nothing to improve the system.
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I want free community college and trade programs for all, regardless of age or background. sure it would cost billions, but it would be offset by the billions in gray money spent to deal with problems caused by an uneducated and untrained national domestic workforce.
No. There's easy availability of federal assistance for kids who want to go to community college or trade school.
No free rides. Most 30 year olds still stuck in minimum wage jobs aren't there because they cannot get student loans; they have no drive.
You should vote for Trump because he has done more in the last 4 years for everyday Americans. The logic is not to give handouts but to make the economy stronger so the natural order of capitalism will give everyone a better quality of life. Under Bidem, the stock market will crash and lockdowns will ensue. All income levels and races of Americans will be hurt by that. Why would you want that?
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:34 pm to deeprig9
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I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.
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I have decided to vote Biden
You are literally voting for an oil baron
He/his family has been proved to own equity in not one, but 2 hostile foreign national oil companies.
If you believe Biden is going to kill the AMERICAN oil production for some globalist altruistic agenda you are sourly mistaken.
His policy to end oil dependence is not to end oil dependence, it's to terminate US production thereby increasing US oil dependence on foreign oil supplies...ie HIS COMPANIES.....
You are a moron if you think Trump is more antithetical to harmonious global economics than Biden.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:34 pm to deeprig9
So you're saying, you want to achieve the lowest level of success in life. Got it. He can have your vote.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:34 pm to deeprig9
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Why would I vote for a republican?
Change my Mind.
I don't have an answer for most of those but what I do know is Joe Biden has been in office for 47 years. He has literally been a part of all of those problems, how do you see him as the solution?
here is my input on a few of the questions.
You want an energy strategy but the only one I saw from Obama and Biden was give China a pass on pollution for a few decades but penalize the American taxpayer. That isn't an energy strategy, that is wealth redistribution. What significant steps have any global powers outside of the US taken so far to combat climate change? We keep hearing how concerned England, Germany, France, and Canada are but what have they actually done to fix it? Last I heard Canada was increasing its carbon pollution.
You know Trump actually passed a pretty big crime reform bill primarily focused on helping drug offenders.
"The First Step Act would give federal judges more leeway when sentencing some drug offenders and boost prisoner rehabilitation efforts. It also would reduce life sentences for some drug offenders with three convictions, or "three strikes," to 25 years".
While on the other side Biden wrote a crime bill that put many more black people in jail. Biden supported three strikes laws because he feared his kids, like crack addict pedo Hunter, would grow up in a "racial jungle".
How many people did Kamala put away in California for drug offenses? “There are too many examples to cite, but she put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana,”
Harris also "…blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so” and “kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of California and she fought to keep the cash-bail system in place."
Why the frick would you vote for Biden or Harris? Don't listen to what they say they will do, look at what they have done. If Biden and Harris are the clear choice for you after that, then you are a dumbass.
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:34 pm to Bandit1980
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when your taxes are raised through the roof
2:1 this fricker doesn’t pay dollar one in taxes now.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:35 pm to deeprig9
Here is why we won’t vote for the same candidate-
Energy independence is a priority. Global partnerships mean nothing to Russia, China and the Middle East. They wipe their collective assets with “partnerships”.
Corporations employ millions with high paying jobs and important benefits. Although I am concerned about corporations increasingly doing the bidding of left wing Marxist, I am more concerned that 51% of Americans don’t contribute to the support of this country via tax dollars. That’s really not paying your fair share.
I don't care about drugs policies as a top issue, but you do and your voting for the wrong candidate.
An immigration policy based on merit is best for this country. The allure of entering this country under your plan would flood the US wth more tax payer dependent occupants. You think dangling America like a juicy carrot in front of hungry rabbits makes sense for America? How bout Mexico and Central America get its house in order? Why won’t you insist on that?
Minimum wage has always been intended as a starter for high schoolers entering the market, not
To support a family. I have no desire to change that. There should be NO federally mandated minimum wage in the first place.
I refuse to vote for tax payer funded “investments”. No. Not the role of the government to be a net or a trampoline. I wanna opt out of SS altogether...can I? Would you be okay with that?
Anyone who agrees to sign off all tax payer funded programs can opt out...if much prefer that.
You wanna tax the hell out of corporations and make demands for workers.
Lots of corporations already do this.
Free is worthless.
Anything everyone has becomes worthless.
Annnnnd you get what you pay for.
Hell all this is free for many students as it is and I interview many of them for positions....it’s not a good situation.
You and I won’t ever vote the same.
Energy independence is a priority. Global partnerships mean nothing to Russia, China and the Middle East. They wipe their collective assets with “partnerships”.
Corporations employ millions with high paying jobs and important benefits. Although I am concerned about corporations increasingly doing the bidding of left wing Marxist, I am more concerned that 51% of Americans don’t contribute to the support of this country via tax dollars. That’s really not paying your fair share.
I don't care about drugs policies as a top issue, but you do and your voting for the wrong candidate.
An immigration policy based on merit is best for this country. The allure of entering this country under your plan would flood the US wth more tax payer dependent occupants. You think dangling America like a juicy carrot in front of hungry rabbits makes sense for America? How bout Mexico and Central America get its house in order? Why won’t you insist on that?
Minimum wage has always been intended as a starter for high schoolers entering the market, not
To support a family. I have no desire to change that. There should be NO federally mandated minimum wage in the first place.
I refuse to vote for tax payer funded “investments”. No. Not the role of the government to be a net or a trampoline. I wanna opt out of SS altogether...can I? Would you be okay with that?
Anyone who agrees to sign off all tax payer funded programs can opt out...if much prefer that.
You wanna tax the hell out of corporations and make demands for workers.
Lots of corporations already do this.
Free is worthless.
Anything everyone has becomes worthless.
Annnnnd you get what you pay for.
Hell all this is free for many students as it is and I interview many of them for positions....it’s not a good situation.
You and I won’t ever vote the same.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:35 pm to deeprig9
If you believed all of that, you were a Biden voter all along.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:35 pm to deeprig9
i remember you from the early SECrant off topic days and i always found you to be a good poster.
my main argument against voting for Biden would be that while i consider myself a kind hearted and compassionate person, Biden has had almost 50 years, with 4 of those unabridged Democratic controlled, and he has not been the stalwart to improve any of those situations at all.
the only thing accomplished when he and Obama had complete control was to pass the ACA which raised prices of insurance for most Americans. I won't deny that it gave opportunities to others, and i don't begrudge that fact, it made insurance almost unobtainable for my healthy family.
outside of that, i am a believer in trickle down economics and that a rising tide raises all boats. if we want to fix the problems in most of the communities, we need strong families and a strong economy that can support them. I've seen 0 from Biden that lends itself to that ideology.
i actually will be contrary to most of this board and say that i am not opposed to free community college. It was one of the main but rare things I agreed with Obama on. We are going to pay for people without opportunities after HS through welfare, food stamps, law enforcement, or prison. I'd rather pay for learning a trade. if the government is going to take my money, teaching a trade is much more honorable than welfare and foodstamps.
my main argument against voting for Biden would be that while i consider myself a kind hearted and compassionate person, Biden has had almost 50 years, with 4 of those unabridged Democratic controlled, and he has not been the stalwart to improve any of those situations at all.
the only thing accomplished when he and Obama had complete control was to pass the ACA which raised prices of insurance for most Americans. I won't deny that it gave opportunities to others, and i don't begrudge that fact, it made insurance almost unobtainable for my healthy family.
outside of that, i am a believer in trickle down economics and that a rising tide raises all boats. if we want to fix the problems in most of the communities, we need strong families and a strong economy that can support them. I've seen 0 from Biden that lends itself to that ideology.
i actually will be contrary to most of this board and say that i am not opposed to free community college. It was one of the main but rare things I agreed with Obama on. We are going to pay for people without opportunities after HS through welfare, food stamps, law enforcement, or prison. I'd rather pay for learning a trade. if the government is going to take my money, teaching a trade is much more honorable than welfare and foodstamps.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:36 pm to deeprig9
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I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:37 pm to 3nOut
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i remember you from the early SECrant off topic days and i always found you to be a good poster.
Aw shucks. Thanks!
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:37 pm to deeprig9
Serious question... I assume you do not like the $$$ that we spend on military for new weaponry.. etc. You probably liked the cutting that occurred during Obama admin correct?
Many of your wish list that you outline sounds very expensive.. How do we pay for all of this? Our population size is 10X that of other European and western countries. Social programs such as these do not scale to populations our size.
Many of your wish list that you outline sounds very expensive.. How do we pay for all of this? Our population size is 10X that of other European and western countries. Social programs such as these do not scale to populations our size.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:38 pm to deeprig9
Never underestimate the power of free shite 
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:39 pm to deeprig9
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want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.
Healthcare can be: cheap, universal, or high quality.
You can have 2 of these 3 things at a time. Cannot have all three. You are advocating for cheap, universal HC which means it will be poor quality. There’s a reason people from all over the world who can afford it come here when they are really sick. There’s a reason all the medical innovations take place here.
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want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.
If you think Oil Barrons are corrupt, wait until you get a bunch of politicians or unelected globalist bureaucrats in control of Carbon Tax credits. I’m sure that will be a completely straight forward and fair process free of any corruption. Also do you think whoever in the future controls all the “clean” energy will magically be a saint? Please stop kidding yourself. If it is run 100% by government it will be even worse than whatever your complaints are about the oil companies. At least oil companies have to compete with each other
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want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.
Who do you think pays the costs associated with increased overhead for business? You realize they either pay lower wages, hire less people, or raise their prices. Raising taxes does not create wealth. It creates a barrier for growth
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I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them.
Then why are you voting for the guy who has been in government for 47 years and done nothing but write the crime bill that made it worse in the first place?
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I want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship. This is the only country they've ever known. Their friends, families, and careers are here. They are part of the fabric of our American family. Using them as a bargaining chip for politics is disgusting. Just naturalize them, and move on.
Many of these kids are being used by human trafficking rings. Promising them citizenship only incentivizes more desperate families to pay drug cartels to smuggle their kids across the border. It is not as simple as you make it sound. I wish the liberals who pretend to care about these kids cared about them enough to not want them to be victims of human trafficking.
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want free community college and trade programs for all, regardless of age or background. sure it would cost billions, but it would be offset by the billions in gray money spent to deal with problems caused by an uneducated and untrained national domestic workforce.
This goes back to the problem with universal healthcare. Making community college and this and that free for everyone only reduces the quality. I think everyone can agree that in the last 20 years the quality of education has fallen significantly while the cost has skyrocketed. Will throwing more money at it fix that problem? No. We have to stop lying to kids and telling everyone the only way to be successful in life is by how many degrees you get. College isn’t for everyone
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:40 pm to deeprig9
Here's the truth:you could give the government $100 trillion and they'd frick it up.
You're not considering how inefficient and poorly run government programs are. So taking money from corporations and the rich only gives us richer politicians and their children, and more half arse shite programs.
You're not considering how inefficient and poorly run government programs are. So taking money from corporations and the rich only gives us richer politicians and their children, and more half arse shite programs.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:41 pm to deeprig9
You want socialism
You should vote Biden
You should vote Biden
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:42 pm to deeprig9
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I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.
Best way to keep healthcare affordable is to control Malpractice liabilities and make sure we have plenty of practicing Doctors. Artificial price controls NEVER work in the long run.
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I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.
Basic & Applied research into alternative energy is good and smart. Large scale subsidized roll outs of alternative energy that isn't ready for prime time is a waste of this countries resources.
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I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.
Companies are taxed on net income, not gross income. It has to be that way. If a company spends $100 to make $103, they should be taxed on the $3 profit, not the $103 gross. Depreciation is a way to account for the costs of doing business, and it is the way that makes sense. If a company spends $200 Million to build a factory that should last for 20 years, they should be able to show that as a business cost of $10 Million a year.
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I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them.
Trump has done more to rationalize criminal justice than any recent Democrat... You should vote for him!
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I want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship. This is the only country they've ever known. Their friends, families, and careers are here. They are part of the fabric of our American family. Using them as a bargaining chip for politics is disgusting. Just naturalize them, and move on.
One of the most important parts of rational immigration policy is to not incentivize illegal immigration. That means bringing your kid over illegally shouldn't give them a benefit when you get caught.
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I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on, even if meagerly. It will incentivize people to get off public assistance and actually work for a living. Who would go to work for $8 an hr when the welfare benefits exceed that, to do nothing? Make the minimum wage actually work for people, and help eliminate welfare with a hand-up rather than a hand-out.
A Minimum wage high enough to support a family is high enough to crush entry level work. No one should even consider starting a family if they haven't progressed beyond entry level wages. I do agree that the welfare state causes many problems with the natural job market (duh). But you don't fix that by breaking the job market! Go watch some videos from Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell on the subject of minimum wage.
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I want a safety net social security system that isn't just a safety net, but a trampoline, that allows people to bounce back in many cases. Social Security must be bolstered up and made whole again. The SS budget must be balanced, and this will require a combination of means testing, some tax hikes, and some tax cuts. You say wealth redistribution, I say tomato. It's an investment required for a stable and prosperous society.
Social Security was a Ponzi scheme from the start. The only way to make it work long term is to transition to a real and viable "Age insurance" and "Disability insurance" framework.
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I want bolstered workers rights that protect workers who are fired without cause (layoff, reduction in force) to be guaranteed a fair severance. If all companies were forced to do this, it wouldn't create any competitive disadvantages because they are all playing by the same rules. I want pension options in addition to stock-based 401k offerings that typically are only affordable for upper-middle income earners.
Sounds like what you really want is to be a valued upper-middle income worker. The way to make more people upper-middle income is to have a thriving economy.. and we know which candidate is better for achieving that!
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I want free community college and trade programs for all, regardless of age or background. sure it would cost billions, but it would be offset by the billions in gray money spent to deal with problems caused by an uneducated and untrained national domestic workforce.
You would give people free college, but doing so would force higher taxes which would harm the economy so these people couldn't get a job when they were done.
In this country anyone who is smart, works hard, and avoids doing stupid things can be a success.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:42 pm to Floating Change Up
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I count 9 points.
All nine points start with: “I want”.
The liberal mind, in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen.
all his stupid arse drivel he copied from DEM UNDERGROUND is what socislists and commies have said for years. they hate job providers. they are too fn dumb to know the rich pay the vast majority of taxes $$$ wise. too dumb to see lower taxes and regs create jobs. more money in your pocket leads to investing and spending. too dumb to see if you want ore deduction put money in a 401k or work for yourself or invest in RE.
fn bums and trash the whole lot of them.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:42 pm to deeprig9
nice copy from Du dipshit


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