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re: I have decided to vote Biden- Change My Mind
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:14 pm to midnight_chopper
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:14 pm to midnight_chopper
Bernie isn't an option now.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:15 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Lol.
Utopia.
Joe Billionaire has a company that employs 100,000 people.
You tax Joe at over 50%, he offshores his money.
You tax his company, he offshores his company.
You tax his employees to pay for "free healthcare"
You tax his employees to pay for "free college"
You support importing cheap labor at the expense of citizens. These "children" overwhelm school systems, turning them into heaping piles of ELS shiat, producing students that can't actually think for themselves.
You support artificially increasing wages, inflating costs of everything, to the detriment of the average worker already squeezed for taxes.
And so on. Liberal lack any concept of consequence.
You buy into every snake oil pitch without asking for any evidence of reality. FREE? Hell yeah,sign me up!! Cheap energy!!! What could be the catch? I'll take two!!
Utopia.
Joe Billionaire has a company that employs 100,000 people.
You tax Joe at over 50%, he offshores his money.
You tax his company, he offshores his company.
You tax his employees to pay for "free healthcare"
You tax his employees to pay for "free college"
You support importing cheap labor at the expense of citizens. These "children" overwhelm school systems, turning them into heaping piles of ELS shiat, producing students that can't actually think for themselves.
You support artificially increasing wages, inflating costs of everything, to the detriment of the average worker already squeezed for taxes.
And so on. Liberal lack any concept of consequence.
You buy into every snake oil pitch without asking for any evidence of reality. FREE? Hell yeah,sign me up!! Cheap energy!!! What could be the catch? I'll take two!!
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:15 pm to deeprig9
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I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.
Every person I know that had insurance, their costs went up. the ones that didn't have it before, still don't. The Democratic health insurance plan is neither affordable or effective. Next
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:15 pm to deeprig9
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I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.
I want an energy plan that doesn't cost trillions of dollars that I will inevitably have to pay for through tax hikes
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I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.
Can't have both #1 and this. And, regardless, billionaires will always have a team of accountants better than your accountants that will find loopholes to exploit in the tax code, regardless of what changes are made. That's why billionaires stay billionaires
quote:Well, your boy Biden is responsible for this, so why are you voting for him to eliminate incarceration for drugs?
I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them.
quote:This already exists
I want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship. This is the only country they've ever known. Their friends, families, and careers are here. They are part of the fabric of our American family. Using them as a bargaining chip for politics is disgusting. Just naturalize them, and move on.
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I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on, even if meagerly. It will incentivize people to get off public assistance and actually work for a living. Who would go to work for $8 an hr when the welfare benefits exceed that, to do nothing? Make the minimum wage actually work for people, and help eliminate welfare with a hand-up rather than a hand-out.
eliminating minimum wage would be a better solution than raising it
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I want a safety net social security system that isn't just a safety net, but a trampoline, that allows people to bounce back in many cases. Social Security must be bolstered up and made whole again. The SS budget must be balanced, and this will require a combination of means testing, some tax hikes, and some tax cuts. You say wealth redistribution, I say tomato. It's an investment required for a stable and prosperous society.
I'd prefer to eliminate SS as well and let us choose how to save our own money
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I want bolstered workers rights that protect workers who are fired without cause (layoff, reduction in force) to be guaranteed a fair severance. If all companies were forced to do this, it wouldn't create any competitive disadvantages because they are all playing by the same rules. I want pension options in addition to stock-based 401k offerings that typically are only affordable for upper-middle income earners.
Oh frick right off with that
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I want free community college and trade programs for all, regardless of age or background. sure it would cost billions, but it would be offset by the billions in gray money spent to deal with problems caused by an uneducated and untrained national domestic workforce.
That too
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I have more issues, but I've typed enough for now.
I'm sure those issues are non-starters too
What you're essentially saying is everyone should have free stuff and the same stuff and all the rich people should pay for it. So basically socialism. No thanks
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:16 pm to deeprig9
Your utompian soicety is based on the 10 points:
1. Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.
2. A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.
3. Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.
5. Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.
6. Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.
7 Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.
8. Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.
9. Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.
10. Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.
It's Karl Marx's "10 Planks" to seize power and destroy freedom
Dasvidaniya Commrade
1. Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.
2. A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.
3. Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.
5. Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.
6. Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.
7 Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.
8. Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.
9. Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.
10. Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.
It's Karl Marx's "10 Planks" to seize power and destroy freedom
Dasvidaniya Commrade
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:16 pm to deeprig9
I want a President that is sucking the crank of China and bending over for Russia and Ukraine.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:16 pm to deeprig9
I guess we will truly find out how many people visit the political board.
Downvote from me.
Downvote from me.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:16 pm to deeprig9
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I have decided to vote Biden- Change My Mind
You obviously have no mind therefore to attempt to change something that does not exist is futile.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:16 pm to deeprig9
Nah.. You are to far gone to help.
If you can't see what would happen to blow this Country to shite outside of Healthcare, and if Biden being compromised to China is not important... Then frick off and move to Venezuela.
What a stupid thing to do. You must not have any children.
If you can't see what would happen to blow this Country to shite outside of Healthcare, and if Biden being compromised to China is not important... Then frick off and move to Venezuela.
What a stupid thing to do. You must not have any children.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:17 pm to deeprig9
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I want everyone to be entitled to what would become forced labor of those in the medical field. I want to strip employer-provided healthcare choices from 180M Americans because 20M Americans (the largest segment of whom choose not to) don't have health insurance. I want a hostile takeover of nearly 20% of the economy to be run by a government organization that has proven it can't even manage the Veterans Administration health program efficiently.
I want to ransom US sovereignty and energy independence so the snooty kids on the playground will like us, even though literally NOTHING the United States can do with respect to environmental policy/regulation amounts to anything until China and India decide they're going to make sweeping changes, since they produce the lion's share of global pollution.
I want a US tax plan that punishes achievement, because I am in profound denial of the basic psychological principle that you get more of the behavior you reward and less of the behavior you punish. Financial compensation = reward for work/capital/investment. I similarly refuse to acknowledge that no one ever gets a job from some schlub on welfare.
I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them. (I actually agree with you on the drug thing, so you get a pass here, Rig).
I want an immigration policy that incentivizes illegal aliens to use their children as bargaining chips to continue their reign of terror on the American taxpayer by overburdening US citizens. I want to reward illegal behavior and encourage wholesale disregard for the rule of law in this country.
I want a minimum wage that guarantees that any lifestyle will be attainable at any job. I do not understand economics. In fact, I can't even keep a family of Sims alive on my computer.
I want a safety net social security system reinforces my previously-established inability to understand economics. I believe the federal government is a better trustee with retirement money that those individuals who earned the money in the first place. I think the government has an outstanding track record with finances, and I believe that those who earn a living should have a portion of that income taken from them at the point of a gun, under penalty of imprisonment to give it to those who made awful life decisions. Surely they'll learn how to fish this time, right?
I am too dense to understand that while there was a time and place for labor unions, I cannot grasp the fact that they are a relic of a bygone era, much like buggy whip manufacturers. I do not trust my own ability to determine my worth in a free market, and need mob rule to make me feel secure in my position in the workplace.
I want free shite. An army of Gender Studies graduates will surely pay off in the long run.
I have more issues, but I need my crayons and graham crackers.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:17 pm to deeprig9
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I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on
This is not the purpose of minimum wage.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:17 pm to deeprig9
10/10 bro
You set a shiny hook and they bit
You set a shiny hook and they bit
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:17 pm to deeprig9
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I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.
Global concerns always cost the USA. We can not better ourselves by trying to lift a reluctant world.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:17 pm to deeprig9
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I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels
Everyone does. Unless you are on Obamacare, then affordable goes out the window.
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I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy
The United States, for the first time, is energy independent.
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aligned with global powers and partnership
Oh, so you want to be involved with foreign wars in the ME. Got it. Yeah, don't vote for Trump then.
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I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.
So you are just regurgitating leftist talking points with no actual knowledge of how our tax structure works. Again, DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP.
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I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up.
Biden is responsible for 1st time possession offender being locked up, via his 1994 crime bill. Seems like you would want to vote for Trump.
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I want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship.
They have to get in line behind the people doing it here legally. If you don't like it, DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP.
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I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on
Minimum wage is not meant to be a salary. If you want to live off of minimum wage, then you should accept poverty as your lifestyle. If you don't like that, DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP.
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I want a safety net social security system that isn't just a safety net, but a trampoline, that allows people to bounce back in many cases.
SS is not a "trampoline" or a safety net. It is A) unconstitutional and B) the rate of return from private investment is many times more than what SS provides. If you want SS to stay, then you probably are a fan of socialism. DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP.
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I want bolstered workers rights that protect workers who are fired without cause (layoff, reduction in force) to be guaranteed a fair severance.
It's called right to work. You want benefits because a business owner has to downsize for whatever reason? Why? Why do you deserve unearned pay? DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP
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I want free community college and trade programs for all,
I see you are in favor of indentured servitude. College and trade programs are taught by individuals. Those individuals earn a living based on the agreed upon fees you pay to these institutions. Wanting this "free" means you want to receive benefits from someone else's free labor. You are in favor of Slavery. YOU SHOULD VOTE DEMOCRAT.
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I have more issues,
Clearly. A psychiatrist might help.
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Why would I vote for a republican?
DON'T. You shouldn't. You are in favor of slavery, free labor, and socialism. You are uninformed, and ill-informed of what is actually happening. In all honesty, YOU SHOULD NOT VOTE AT ALL. However, you will vote Biden. You are not open to "change my mind". One can not have a wishy-washy opinion of slave labor, or wanting to be involved in foreign ME wars. You are a useful idiot. The left thanks you.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:18 pm to deeprig9
All of these are the exact talking points of my more liberal friends. And they, just like a ton of other people on this board have no idea what the feasibility or practical application looks like, nor do they understand the actual consequences that follow.
The 'free college' shite is the worst for me....do people not understand that free college already exists for low income people? Its just like the 'take away their healthcare' argument....WHAT HEALTHCARE!!!??? You mean the health insurance that you are requiring people to pay for that still isn't providing any benefit to 98% of people that have it because the deductibles are so outrageously high?
The 'free college' shite is the worst for me....do people not understand that free college already exists for low income people? Its just like the 'take away their healthcare' argument....WHAT HEALTHCARE!!!??? You mean the health insurance that you are requiring people to pay for that still isn't providing any benefit to 98% of people that have it because the deductibles are so outrageously high?
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:18 pm to deeprig9
quote:In other words you reject the tax plans that Joe Biden wrote and supported for 47 years, but you think the 77y/o senile bastard is going to now unwind his lifetime of work for something new?
I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.
Change your mind?
Dude, anyone with that little rationale his no evidence of a mind to change. Sorry.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:18 pm to deeprig9
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I want everyone to have open affordable access to healthcare on all levels.
So people with good health insurance will be forced to use shitty healthcare? Pass
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I want a long term comprehensive energy strategy aligned with global powers and partnership to accelerate the growth of alternative energy for not just pollution concerns, but for global economic reasons, long term. No longer should oil barons be driving global energy policy, like puppet masters with the world on a string.
Do you understand the number of products that are made with oil? Do you realize that electric cars only increase the amount of electricity we create by fossil fuels? How do you think they make Solar Panels and Wind Mills? With fairy dust?
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I want a US tax plan that doesn't let companies like Amazon write off a bunch of jibber jabber and pay zero taxes, while all of their employees are paying between 15%-50% of their income in taxes. I want a US tax plan that doesn't allow multi-millionaires to pay zero income tax due to the code that allows them to simply depreciate their assets on paper to avoid tax liability, while people who actually work for the money (90%+ of people) have no such tax shelters available to them.
All the big corporations are voting for Biden, why do you think that is? Because they want to pay more taxes?
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I want a national drug enforcement policy that helps people instead of locking them up. Decades of policy research shows this is more effective and cheaper to do, and obviously helps people more than it hurts them.
So you want to release violent drug users back into society with the hope they stay sober?
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I want an immigration policy that allows children illegally brought to this country through no fault of their own to have a straight-forward non-political path to permanent citizenship. This is the only country they've ever known. Their friends, families, and careers are here. They are part of the fabric of our American family. Using them as a bargaining chip for politics is disgusting. Just naturalize them, and move on.
So what about in the future? Do you think coyotes are wild animals smuggling in children? How do you prove those children are actually theirs? You're advocating for massive amount of human trafficking in order for people to get citizenship.
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I want a minimum wage that a small humble family can actually live on, even if meagerly. It will incentivize people to get off public assistance and actually work for a living. Who would go to work for $8 an hr when the welfare benefits exceed that, to do nothing? Make the minimum wage actually work for people, and help eliminate welfare with a hand-up rather than a hand-out.
Do you believe $15 an hour in Nebraska is the same as $15 in San Francisco? Do you know how many people make minimum wage in the US? 2.1 percent, 2 point 1.
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I want a safety net social security system that isn't just a safety net, but a trampoline, that allows people to bounce back in many cases. Social Security must be bolstered up and made whole again. The SS budget must be balanced, and this will require a combination of means testing, some tax hikes, and some tax cuts. You say wealth redistribution, I say tomato. It's an investment required for a stable and prosperous society.
So personal responsibility is out the window. You want wealth equity not equality, basically, socialism.
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I want bolstered workers rights that protect workers who are fired without cause (layoff, reduction in force) to be guaranteed a fair severance. If all companies were forced to do this, it wouldn't create any competitive disadvantages because they are all playing by the same rules. I want pension options in addition to stock-based 401k offerings that typically are only affordable for upper-middle income earners.
So you want everyone to work for the government. You want to protect shitty employees.
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I want free community college and trade programs for all, regardless of age or background. sure it would cost billions, but it would be offset by the billions in gray money spent to deal with problems caused by an uneducated and untrained national domestic workforce.
What does a community college degree qualify you for?
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:19 pm to deeprig9
Everyone wants a bunch of shite, but someone has to pay for it. Where is the money coming from for all of those big government programs?
The left is like a bunch of kids at Christmas time...I want, I want, I want...Never realizing mom and dad are going in debt trying to give you everything you want.
The left is like a bunch of kids at Christmas time...I want, I want, I want...Never realizing mom and dad are going in debt trying to give you everything you want.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:20 pm to deeprig9
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deeprig9
There is too much stupid in your post I wouldn't know where to begin.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:20 pm to deeprig9
I'm always amazed at the people that think gov't can truly solve any problem at all. It's almost like they've never been to the DMV, or down a road full of potholes, or struggled getting mail delivered. The gov't literally sucks at any service they attempt to deliver and frick up more than they fix whenever they get involved.
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