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re: I hate it, but burning the American flag is covered by the the 1st amendment, right?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:52 pm to antman123
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:52 pm to antman123
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starting a fire in a public place isnt covered
THIS.....You shouldn't be able to start fires or burn ANYTHING in a public place. To me that's similar to shooting a gun in the air in a public place.
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:53 pm to GumboPot
Saw a video of a guy doing it and get detained.
My whole thing isn’t the flag, but you just stared a fire in a public place.
Certain times of the year I can’t even burn things in my yard legally.
My whole thing isn’t the flag, but you just stared a fire in a public place.
Certain times of the year I can’t even burn things in my yard legally.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:53 pm to GumboPot
Can it be illegal to burn a state or federal flag owned by the citizens/government? If it’s your personal flag then do whatever you want with it, but don’t touch the property of the US. To me that should be a line.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:56 pm to AUX3
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It feels like most people can’t read the EO or have a hard time interpreting it. Including Massie. This is how the news cycle works. The news should read: Trumps new EO means if you burn an American flag you better make sure the act doesn’t break other laws or you will be prosecuted to the fulllest extent of the law.
What does that even mean? If the EO reads how you say it does, this is a very open ended policy and the government will make up things to prosecute people.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:57 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Yes, but don't burn a Pride flag unless you want to be charged with a hate crime.
Exactly.
Both are protected expressions under the 1st Amendment.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:06 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Yes, but don't burn a Pride flag unless you want to be charged with a hate crime.
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think an important thing keeps getting lost in all the "winning" or whatever.
The weapons, laws, EO's, and rules you grant yourselves will still exist when you aren't in power
Why was Obama able to weaponize the IRS against the TEA Party? Maybe because they were authorized to do so against generally undefined threats like "terrorism"?
I fear MAGA is celebrating some cans of worms that they maybe unable to seal when it is president {insert scary dem here}.
Dems learned that lesson with Judicial appointments. Dems changed a rule, and the GOP got Barrett and Kavanaugh as a direct result.
The weapons, laws, EO's, and rules you grant yourselves will still exist when you aren't in power
Why was Obama able to weaponize the IRS against the TEA Party? Maybe because they were authorized to do so against generally undefined threats like "terrorism"?
I fear MAGA is celebrating some cans of worms that they maybe unable to seal when it is president {insert scary dem here}.
Dems learned that lesson with Judicial appointments. Dems changed a rule, and the GOP got Barrett and Kavanaugh as a direct result.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:17 pm to GumboPot
It shouldn’t be covered by 1st Amendment and just like Roe v Wade and countless other cases it can be tossed. Setting fire to something is not speech.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:19 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:I personally find the very idea of a flag possessing the spiritual or holy sanctity required for it to be 'desecrated' in the first place to be antithetical to my understanding of American values.
It is a physical act of desecration against the symbol of a country.
I say that as a veteran who has shed his own blood for the Constitution it represents, and as a patriot who loves the flag and his country. That said, I'm sympathetic to those, like yourself and others, who feel differently, and hasn't ever been a hill I'll die on,
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:21 pm to GumboPot
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I hate it, but burning the American flag is covered by the the 1st amendment, right?
Nope, this is Trump’s America, Federal overreach is in fashion. You don’t just get to do whatcha want!
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:26 pm to northshorebamaman
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I personally find the very idea of a flag possessing the spiritual or holy sanctity required for it to be 'desecrated' in the first place to be antithetical to my understanding of American values.
To desecrate something doesn't necessarily mean it must hold some spiritual or holy quality. It can (and does) simply mean to vandalize or dishonor. That said, destroying something for the sake of 'protest' is where I think many get the false idea that it's ok to take a torch to a building, car, or topple a statue.
It's not speech. It's destruction.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:28 pm to GumboPot
Duh. Of course it's protected.
That's the most symbolic point of freedom of speech....
That's the most symbolic point of freedom of speech....
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:42 pm to RobbBobb
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They do it in public as a protest
I meant to remove the "but if you're burning something in public protest next to a gas pump" ridiculousness but adding "on your own land."
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:53 pm to GumboPot
but why would someone want to burn our great flag? I mean if you hate what it stands for there are a few hundred other countries you can go to. 
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:02 pm to GumboPot
Why did he have to include Israel flag?
I swear you’d think Israel was the 51st state the way our politicians suck them off
I swear you’d think Israel was the 51st state the way our politicians suck them off
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:09 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:Yes, you're absolutely correct, although I've always felt it's typically used in a slightly loaded fashion, granting it some additional heavy lifting power. But, I freely admit that's my own perception and in the strict sense the dictionary agrees with you.
To desecrate something doesn't necessarily mean it must hold some spiritual or holy quality. It can (and does) simply mean to vandalize or dishonor.
quote:This is a reasonable opinion given that I don't think "Freedom of Expression" entered the Constitutional lexicon until the 20th century, that said it's now the court's official opinion that freedom of expression is covered under the 1st, an opinion it has reaffirmed several times, making it the law of the land for now. I agree with their current interpretation but it's likely not originalist.
It's not speech.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:17 pm to GumboPot
Burns laws should be enforced whatever you burn in public. Burn on your property what you wish as long as it's up to code.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:18 pm to GumboPot
I feel like it would have been better to preemptively pardon anyone who bets someone burning an American flag.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:23 pm to GumboPot
I hope trump makes it illegal
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:26 pm to GumboPot
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