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Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:01 am to bamarep
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bamarep
My man, you really are a true believer
take a step back and look at whats really going on.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:04 am to ApexTiger
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He will give the amnesty after the wall is built.
That's pretty dang good deal if you ask me
a long term solution is done first
I'm kinda in this boat...
BUT, I want new merit based citizenship...AND VERY limited legal immigration for the next 20 years at the cost of people getting citizenships...
Also want only people with 10 years here, speak English and a clean record...
But tight control comes first.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:04 am to SquirrelyBama
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That's why you put, in writing, a wall and security happens
It has been put into writing before
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DACA loses standing
If you believe that it is possible I dont know what to say, you would have better luck unscrewing a pregnant woman than revoking status once granted. No sane person would even suggest this.
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only a congressional bill can undo sixths new immigration bill.
Phone and a pen anyone?
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:06 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Trump knows this proposal was never gonna be accepted, his motive is to let his base know DACA would end up being 1.8 million and not the 700,000 that the Dems keep throwing out their.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:09 am to cave canem
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:12 am to Blizzard of Chizz
If I were Trump, I'd grant full amnesty but the dems better damn well fully back the border wall
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:12 am to SquirrelyBama
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This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 5:47 am
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:13 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Some of you radical right wingers are just as bad as the Dems you obsess over.
Stomping your foot into the ground and only wanting things your way doesn’t work in democracy. It’s one of the reasons Obama was such a failure as President.
If you want your wall and reforms you are gonna have to play ball. Or you can cry and nothing will get done.
Stomping your foot into the ground and only wanting things your way doesn’t work in democracy. It’s one of the reasons Obama was such a failure as President.
If you want your wall and reforms you are gonna have to play ball. Or you can cry and nothing will get done.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:13 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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I draw the line with Trump at amnesty
Honest question - what does drawing the line look like?
Are you going to support having him primaried in 2020? If he is the candidate in 2020, are you going to not vote, vote 3rd party, or even vote for the candidate that has the best chance to beat him in order to get him out of office?
If Trump doesn't even run in 2020, are you going to hold Mike Pence's unwavering support for Trump against him should he win the nomination?
What about 2018? Are you going to vote against other Republicans who voted in favor of a bill that includes amnesty?
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:25 am to Blizzard of Chizz
I agree with a permanent visa as long as no crimes are committed. A path to citizenship after 10 years but not breaking in line ahead of others legally applying for citizenship. So this sould also reduce legal immigration by 1.8 million when their turn comes to apply.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:29 am to SquirrelyBama
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That's why you put, in writing,
The border fence/wall has been written as law for a long time.
Yet nothing.
I'm not a fan of a wall for long-term reasons, but we can't fall for this shite again. Give them citizenship, they flip another state or two...or more. That's ballgame, and no fricking wall will save us.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:29 am to fischd1
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I am very pro Trump but if he gives 1.3 million illegals full citizenship I will be out.
I don't believe he is "giving citizenship" to those people. His offer is a multiple year path to becoming a citizen. Not the greatest idea, but worth it for a wall, merit based immigration, ending chain migration and hopefully anchor babies.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:31 am to TigerGhazi
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Honest question - what does drawing the line look like?
Are you going to support having him primaried in 2020? If he is the candidate in 2020, are you going to not vote, vote 3rd party, or even vote for the candidate that has the best chance to beat him in order to get him out of office?
If Trump doesn't even run in 2020, are you going to hold Mike Pence's unwavering support for Trump against him should he win the nomination?
What about 2018? Are you going to vote against other Republicans who voted in favor of a bill that includes amnesty?
Trump is not in the White House because he swung Dems to vote for him in large numbers, he got elected by energizing the base and getting more Rep to get out and vote.
A base simply feeling "meh" about him destoys any chance for him and his going forward, he has to have that bases support as the party itself is not really in his corner.
Best case scenario is he dangles this carrot with so many strings attached the Dems refuse, then he throws it in the trash and lets DACA expire.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:44 am to SquirrelyBama
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What done is done, give those kids/adults, who've been used as a political football, by both parties for 20 + years, a path to citizenship. Then build a wall with better security, that simple!
They said the same thing in 1986. You cannot deal with the illegals here now until you secure the border. You throw amnesty out there first and you will have illegals crashing the border to get in just as they did in the late 80’s and 90’s.
Citizenship is an absolute no go. A citizen has the right to bring in their family. So you grant citizenship to 1 million people, you open the door to millions more. I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to get that concept through their heads. As I’ve said it over and over, California is the model to the kind of gigantic cluster frick this path leads to. Yet we still have people willing to turn over their sovereignty and their political voice to a group of people who by in large do not see themselves as Americans. They see themselves as Mexicans, Guatemalans, Hondurans and the rest of the Latin American countries they come from. Don’t believe me? Look at the flags they wave when they show up to protest.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:52 am to ljhog
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I don't believe he is "giving citizenship" to those people. His offer is a multiple year path to becoming a citizen. Not the greatest idea, but worth it for a wall, merit based immigration, ending chain migration and hopefully anchor babies.
Yeah, they'll never get the illegals out...
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:06 am to cave canem
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A base simply feeling "meh" about him destoys any chance for him and his going forward, he has to have that bases support as the party itself is not really in his corner.
I agree, although I think that ship has already sailed. There is no way his base was ever going to be MORE motivated to come out and vote for a second term than they were for the first, and the opposition, which was not motivated at all in 2016, is going to be absolutely champing at the bit.
So, my main curiosity is whether or not this disillusionment will transfer to other Republican politicians, which is the only way it would actually make a difference anyway.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:25 am to cave canem
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They wanted to sneak in, hide out, and wait for yet another "reform", bingo they 100% are getting it.
Yeah I'm sure the 3 year old child who's parents drug them over here and has no family left in Mexico was thinking that whole time, I can't wait to screw the system in the U.S.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:42 am to ljhog
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I don't believe he is "giving citizenship" to those people
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His offer is a multiple year path to becoming a citizen.
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Not the greatest idea, but worth it for a wall, merit based immigration, ending chain migration and hopefully anchor babies.
That many new Dem voters will flip states and we're fricked, wall or no. CITIZENSHIP FOR THESE PEOPLE IS THE DEM END GAME. A wall won't help. Look at California
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:56 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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I’m generally onboard, but if he chooses to push forward with amnesty of any sort, he will not have my support.
Calm down and take a deep breath.
It is obvious to me that President Trump and his advisers know the Dums have no intention of compromising their position on the Dreamer issue so President Trump made the recent offer to expose that fact and it worked because the Dums already rejected his offer.
This is very similar to what the street artists did when we were trying to get the SF Board of Supervisors to give us selling spaces on the public sidewalks.
The Supervisors rejected eight different proposals we offered including our eighth offer which was to limit street artists to only 2 street artists in a square block area.
When the Sups rejected all eight proposals stating that the merchants opposed all of them, we realized the merchants and the Sups were not going to compromise and allow some street artists selling spaces on any public sidewalk so we decided to expose that fact. We made our ninth proposal which was to allow only one street artist selling space in a square block area.
As we suspected, the Sups rejected our ninth offer stating that the merchants were also opposed to allowing even only one street artist selling space in a square block area.
That is when we decided to put something on the municipal ballot and after we succeeded in getting enough valid signatures of registered voters to put Proposition J on the ballot, which my brother authored, we went on the radio and TV and campaigned for the passage of Proposition J telling the public the merchants and the Supervisors refused to allow even just one street artist per square block area.
Our campaign succeeded because Proposition J was passed by the SF voters by over 10,000 votes.
President Trump now has the ammunition he needs to say the Dums won't compromise at all and he can blame the Dums if no dreamer compromise occurs.
I have no doubt that he will do that every time the MSM brings the Dreamer subject up.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 11:01 am
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