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re: I Can't Hold Back On This Any Longer; For Those Who Mock & Ridicule DOGE - TELL ME WHY
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:25 pm to momentoftruth87
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:25 pm to momentoftruth87
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Ron isn’t a bad guy but he’s nowhere near Trump in regards to capabilities. The fact no state/governor has came out swinging trying to audit their own state is interesting.
Today, Governor Ron DeSantis announced the creation of the Florida State Department of Governmental Efficiency (DOGE) task force, which will work to further eliminate waste within state government, save taxpayers money, and ensure accountability in Florida.
While I'm a fan of how strong Trump has started his second term, I think you're wrong about capabilities if what we're talking about is getting things done in/through government from a conservative's position. DeSantis is masterful.
Trump didn't finish the wall, filled the swamp and took the knee on Covid in his first term. It's okay to be enthusiastic about the run Trump is on right now but that doesn't change history.
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Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:30 pm to MizzouBS
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They don’t just want 5 bullet points. They want 5 things and they need to be explained. My friend that works for the VA said it took her 5 pages. I think most people believe it was an email that would take 5 minutes to respond to.
Doge doesn’t read these emails. They have an AI program that breaks them down. Sometimes achieving 1 or 2 things in a week is better than accomplishing 20. Does the AI program properly choose which accomplishments are important and can it decide if 2 is better than 20? Probably not
All good and no need to be overly concerned about fairness or propriety. We need to shrink TF out of the federal government and there are so many ridiculous hurdles to doing that, you've got to simply burn everything down you can train a flamethrower on.
There are far too many employees and they're paid too much. I'm all for Trump trimming some meat away with the fat.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:36 pm to 4cubbies
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Musk businesses have been investigated or fined by several regulatory agencies including the CFPB, the SEC and FAA. Six Musk companies have been investigated or fined 32 times by 11 agencies
Being investigated or fined by regulatory agencies does not necessarily imply wrongdoing on a grand scale. Many large corporations, including Amazon, Apple, and Google, frequently face regulatory scrutiny. These investigations and fines are common in the corporate world and do not inherently indicate corruption or unethical behavior.The scale of Musk's companies means they operate in industries with significant oversight (e.g., aerospace, automotive, finance). The number of fines or investigations does not, by itself, prove systemic corruption.
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Since DOGE was formed, Trump has fired ethics and corruption watchdogs, including the head of the office of government ethics (OGE) and at least 18 inspectors general who uncover abuses like that one's Musk's companies enjoyed.
Does not automatically equate to corruption or wrongdoing. Previous presidents, including Obama and Bush, have also replaced inspectors general.
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I haven't seen any accountants on staff. I saw a 24 year old business analyst so maybe she can perform audits? But one 24 year old is not equipped to audit the Department of Defense.
I'll concede I've been using the word audit, when the goal of DOGE is efficiency. There are plenty of people working for DOGE that we may not all be aware of who can find efficiencies and inefficiencies in our gov't.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:46 pm to 4cubbies
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Arguments can be made the Musk is corrupt
Really? Then make them. I can't think of any legitimate reason why anybody would state this. Even in a passive manner like you just did.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:49 pm to Mushroom1968
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common in the corporate world
This seems to be the go-to defense of Musk's missteps.
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Does not automatically equate to corruption or wrongdoing. Previous presidents, including Obama and Bush, have also replaced inspectors general.
How many of the 17 he fired over the last month and a half have been replaced?
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I'll concede I've been using the word audit, when the goal of DOGE is efficiency. There are plenty of people working for DOGE that we may not all be aware of who can find efficiencies and inefficiencies in our gov't.
How are they going to uncover waste and corruption without performing an audit?
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:57 pm to 4cubbies
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This seems to be the go-to defense of Musk's missteps.
You are clueless as to what it takes to remain compliant with all federal, state and local laws and rules in the US. It is nothing short of ridiculous, and it costs shite tons of (wasted) money.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:58 pm to David_DJS
So you're agreeing with me.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:06 pm to RelicBatches86
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"move fast and break things" like Musk did with Twitter doesnt work with federal government
Why? Our federal government has become so bloated it's disgusting. Cut as much as you can as fast as you can.
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programs that Musk doesnt agree with politically is not fraud
Name one program Doge cut that wasn't waste or fraud? Also why did you just put fraud and not include waste? We both know so no need to answer.
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- firing people in a haste then re-hiring them is a sign of of incompetence
The federal government employs millions of people. Small things will slip through the cracks making the needed cuts. Re-hiring people and admitting mistakes were made is a sign of good leadership. Taking ownership of the mistake is a great thing.
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no businessman should be involved in the hiring / firing of fed goverment regulators overseeing his industry
Why? Conflict of interest? In that case all of congress will have to step down.
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shady government legal matters where another employee is listed as the DOGE administrator when its Musk
What do you think Musk is getting for leading this charge? The dude isn't getting paid and is already worth billions. He's doing this to help get our country in order. It's a mess and needs to be cleaned up fast.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:17 pm to 4cubbies
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All actions seem to be taken impulsively, without thought of long-term implications
Yea stopping the payments towards trans mice may have long term problems.
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The motivation for cuts is preserving the tax cuts for the rich and corporations that will be locked in later this year, not helping the middle class or Americans who are not already wealthy
Talking point that isn't true at all. The Trump tax cuts saved me a few thousand a year and I'm nowhere near rich. My wife is a teacher and I made around 100k Nowhere close to rich.
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Musk claims to be anti corruption but fired all the inspectors general who provide that oversight
The inspector generals that hadn't been doing anything but turning a blind eye to all the wasteful spending.
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The most obvious place to look for waste and corruption is the Dept of Defense. The DoD has NEVER been able to pass an audit. But Musk is focused on USAID instead. why?
USAID was the starting point. The DoD's time will come. USAID was filled with fraud and waste. Low hanging, easy fruit to start with so the people could see how shitty of a government they have.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:18 pm to KCT
Some of it what they do is good.
Some of it is essentially useless.
DOGE as a whole though is still much better having it than not having it.
It will be around only so much longer anyways.
Some of it is essentially useless.
DOGE as a whole though is still much better having it than not having it.
It will be around only so much longer anyways.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:25 pm to 4cubbies
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This seems to be the go-to defense of Musk's missteps.
Eh, not really, just the truth
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How are they going to uncover waste and corruption without performing an audit?
Crowdsourcing and whistleblowing: Encouraging employees, customers, or stakeholders to report inefficiencies can expose waste without requiring a formal audit. An engaged community can highlight resource misuse.
data analysis: By leveraging automated tracking systems, machine learning, and real-time data analysis, inefficiencies can be detected without traditional auditing methods.
Comparing operations to industry standards or peer organizations can reveal wasteful practices, even without an internal audit.
Transparency and open records: Publicly accessible transactions and spending reports can allow independent reviewers to identify inconsistencies.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 2:44 pm to Mushroom1968
Anyone who is against DOGE either currently works for or relies on the Government OR they have never had to work with the Federal Government.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 3:22 pm to NussBusDriver
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Yea stopping the payments towards trans mice
This would be using a scalpel. Stopping ALL payments for everything is using a shotgun. No one is advocating for spending money to research trans mice specifically. To maintain anyone is advocating for that specifically is dishonest and unserious.
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Talking point that isn't true at all. The Trump tax cuts saved me a few thousand a year
I don't recall our tax burden being significantly greater or less than the previous year but I'm glad you benefited.
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The inspector generals that hadn't been doing anything but turning a blind eye to all the wasteful spending.
How did anyone know this in January when they were fired? Was 10 days enough to uncover this wasteful spending across multiple agencies? Why wasn't this wasteful spending made public and how did you find out about it?
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The DoD's time will come.
We'll see. Why not start with the organization that has never passed an audit? That makes the most sense.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 3:24 pm to KCT
It’s better for Trump that the DNC and media oppose it: 80% of Americans favor it and it makes them look like corrupt out of touch lunatics.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 3:26 pm to bird35
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The media is solidly against any cut in USAID funding because the Federal government was paying a large portion of the media’s salary with our tax money.
Its not even that well thought out. They are automatically against anything Trump does. Its really that simple.
And its a big reason why they are getting hammered right now as Trump moves on broadly popular campaign promises like immigration, DOGE, ending the war in Ukraine, etc.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 3:28 pm to KCT
Because Elon took my money and used it to destroy my echo chamber! Now anyone can just join X and say things that I don't like!
Posted on 3/10/25 at 3:33 pm to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
What would Trump have to do to win your support, short of surrendering to the Deep State?
Posted on 3/10/25 at 3:34 pm to 4cubbies
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Stopping ALL payments for everything is using a shotgun.
Nobody did that. Awful point.
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How did anyone know this in January when they were fired? Was 10 days enough to uncover this wasteful spending across multiple agencies? Why wasn't this wasteful spending made public and how did you find out about it?
This IGs were on the job for years not 10 days. Again. Awful point.
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We'll see. Why not start with the organization that has never passed an audit? That makes the most sense.
Doesn’t matter where you start really but they started in a place where they knew they could find just ridiculous waste and fraud and that would unite the American people behind this cause. I haven’t met anybody IRL against it. Only people online with TDS that oppose trying to stop the waste.
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