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re: Hypothetical: If America was split into two countries

Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:52 pm to
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
9594 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:52 pm to
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First, all the so called centrists, moderates, and above the fray types would scratch and claw to get into Conservastan. Because even though these so called "independent thinkers" like to bitch about the right and find them unbecoming and in their eyes "top extreme".


Most independent types lean conservative already on economic issues. They are more liberal or moderate on social issues.

And how you divide up the states will matter. For all their BS California is an economic powerhouse.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 9:55 pm
Posted by AZHorn
Southern Arizona
Member since Aug 2021
1062 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:56 pm to
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MO and KY would be pissed!

Also, AZ would get what they deserve.


AZ had no choice who bordered there state. We got barbarians to the South and Morons to the West and East. Used to be a great state though before we were invaded...
Posted by Mobile Patriot
Mobile
Member since Aug 2024
737 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:23 pm to
California and New York have more conservatives than any Red State not named Texas. Texas has more Liberals than Washington and Oregon combined. Of course it's impossible to split.
In the 5 Country split, the South would have a ton of farmland, the lower Mississippi River system and enough oil and gas in Texas and Louisiana to be energy independent. That Country would probably be the most self sufficient.
Posted by AZHorn
Southern Arizona
Member since Aug 2021
1062 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:26 pm to
What we need before it gets any worse is a Convention of the States and impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit its power and jurisdiction, and impose term limits on its officials and members of Congress. If the states won't vote for all of this and pass it with a majority then states like Texas, Florida and the Southern States, along with a few Midwestern and Northern Rocky Mountain States threaten secession...
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 10:27 pm
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
106784 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:03 pm to
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Until Wokestan was broke and starving then they would declare war on us.


Good luck with that since they disarmed all of their citizens and we all have loads of guns.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
11438 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:09 pm to
The Conservastan nation would have most of the money within 20 years and the Wokeopia section would be wanting to tax us so they can have more money that they wasted away.
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
3088 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 1:18 am to
They’re eating cats and they’re eating dogs cost the man the election. You can spin it any way you want. Trump lost the independent voter.
Posted by maizegoblue
Florida
Member since Jan 2011
2179 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 1:57 am to
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California and New York have more conservatives than any Red State not named Texas


You are forgetting Florida which has a larger population than New York and is dark red now.
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
5375 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 2:08 am to
You’d be shocked (or maybe not) at who’d end up in Conservatan…. The majority of the MSM, The Clintons, Schumer, even Pelosi.

When pressed on why, they’d give some racist answer on not wanting to be in the minority in Woketopia.

I wish this scenario would happen though I really think almost 2/3 of the electorate would choose Conservatan initially. The libs I referenced above do not deep down believe it’s effective for the people, but an easy way to empower and enrich themselves.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35508 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 6:34 am to
Do yourself a favor. Lay off the acid and mushrooms from the cowfields.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10310 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 6:47 am to
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Most independent types lean conservative already on economic issues. They are more liberal or moderate on social issues.



Ahh yea. The old "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" dimwits. The problem I have with this group, is they have no depth to their idealogy, it's basically just a "feel good" philosophy. It feels good to have more money, and also for people to act like degenerates if they want.

That's all and good, until you actually realize what it takes to form a government and society that is responsible with money, and does not tax the citizens to death, and spend like drunken sailors. They think that society built around hedonism and debauchery will also be capable of balancing the budget, lowering taxes, and cutting debt. This is pure fantasy, and extremely shallow political idealogy.

You need a moral, Christian and biblical minded society, and not the watered down mega church Christianity or modern liberal version that has been rampant throughout the Church. If not, your country will ultimately end up in both financial ruin as well as spiritually.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
12694 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 6:48 am to
The woke would nuke us immediately
Posted by HonCHO
Bawcomville
Member since Nov 2020
80 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:40 am to
Minus Georgia
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
3080 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:44 am to
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You’d be shocked (or maybe not) at who’d end up in Conservatan…. The majority of the MSM, The Clintons, Schumer, even Pelosi.


Correct. These people are just power and wealth hungry and the idiots on the left are easiest to manipulate to that end. Same with all liberal elitists. They don't remotely live where the majority of their constituents live. Same for wealthy blacks. Do people really think Jesse, Al, etc ... Live in the hood?
Posted by Poohbear8487
Member since May 2015
993 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:18 am to
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If you want to read a good fictional story about a split/divorce of America, read this novel. The People’s Republic, Kelly Turnbull series, book 1.



I second this notion. I have read all these books and they are very good. The author is former Special Forces and his book, Indian Country, in this series is really good. It is about an insurgency in Southern Indiana after a US split.

Also, his new book, The Attack, is worth reading as well.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 8:21 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464602 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:20 am to
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Meanwhile, their country would be a hellscape, producing nothing of value, and filled with crime, degeneracy, and despair.


You really think a country with economic powers like California and New York would "produce nothing of value"?
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10310 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:28 am to
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You really think a country with economic powers like California and New York would "produce nothing of value"?


Most of their economic power is a phantom. You remove the productive, conservative elements out of their society, they would not be able to sustain themselves. These states are still living off the backs of previous great generations who built them up to be the powerhouses they are. They would not be able to recreate those states with their current talent level.

The right would be happy to seperate from the left, but the left would be pissed if the right left them. It's like an abusive relationship. Liberals always act like the left is better because wealth is concentrated in blue states, but it's because that is where are the elites live and operate. The elites would not be able to exploit the right if they broke away, they would be depended on the masses of blue hair batistas and non English speaking immigrants who make up their coalition.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293506 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:29 am to
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You really think a country with economic powers like California and New York would "produce nothing of value"?


They would chase industry off the lesser regulated states. 100%.

Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10310 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:42 am to
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They would chase industry off the lesser regulated states. 100%.


Exactly. This is already happening, where you see capital leaving California and New York and relocating to Texas, Florida, and Georgia, etc.

The problem is, with the new capital, it's bringing in shitty voters and shitty values. So eventually, the states will go blue, then go to shite and the capital will have to leave to go somewhere else.

It's like a virus. The red states are presented with the shiny object, and the Republican Governors get their ribbon cutting ceremonies and of course their kickbacks for bringing in these industries. But ultimately, their states go from red, to purple, to blue. And the cycle starts back over. See Georgia for a good example of this, and the trajectory of Texas.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
38263 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:48 am to
The leftist portion of the country would allow immigration to overrun its borders even more to where the lefties would beg the conservatives state to let them in.

Then they’d demand we do things there way.


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