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re: Hypothetical: Do people think this would’ve happened under Trump?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:51 am to Deuces
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:51 am to Deuces
Trump would have at least had some kind of plan in place for an orderly withdrawal, the Biden administration has none at all. Hell, they won't even address it. It's disgraceful and the people who voted for him should be ashamed
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:51 am to Catchfalaya
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No. Trump would of struck the Taliban down with JDAMS the minute they started getting froggy
Good one
The Taliban violated the Doha Agreement so many times and the Trump administration did nothing.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:52 am to Deuces
Yes, but not as quickly. It'd have happened in small chunks. Little by little. I simply don't trust the Taliban to live up to whatever "deal" they may have made with Trump.
I believe Trump would have struck back at them hard for their small advances.
Hypothetically, had this exact scenario played out under Trump, we'd be bombing the crap out of that country right now.
I believe Trump would have struck back at them hard for their small advances.
Hypothetically, had this exact scenario played out under Trump, we'd be bombing the crap out of that country right now.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:52 am to Catchfalaya
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Sure probably administratively paper promises, but never violated the physical attack agreement against provinces under Trump. They knew he would bomb them into oblivion
Attacks against the Afghan army increased significantly after the agreement. I can't even understand why the Afghan government wasn't a party to the Doha Agreement. It was a big mistake by the Trump administration in my opinion.
The Pentagon even came out and said that the Taliban were violating the Doha agreement. But I also think Biden was a political coward and should never have honored the agreement.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 8:54 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:53 am to Deuces
In reality no. Trump understood what was going on over there and actually listened to people with first-hand knowledge.
To be fair, the Taliban would have eventually been in power Trump or no Trump but our exit and getting those we wanted out would not have gone down like this.
To be fair, the Taliban would have eventually been in power Trump or no Trump but our exit and getting those we wanted out would not have gone down like this.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:54 am to Deuces
ask yourself what has this current administration not frick up?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:54 am to DangerousWafer
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DangerousWafer
And here comes the deflections
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:55 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
No. But then again, his "top generals" would probably have lied to him.
Trump too worried about his image and the image of the USA to let a disaster like this happen under his watch. Wish we could have lured the rats out and just taken them to task with some AC-130 Gunships etc.
Trump too worried about his image and the image of the USA to let a disaster like this happen under his watch. Wish we could have lured the rats out and just taken them to task with some AC-130 Gunships etc.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:55 am to Deuces
Yes, the same would've happened.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:56 am to TideCPA
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:57 am to FredBear
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And here comes the deflections
Here come the rebuttals... oh wait, I've not heard them.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:58 am to RollTide4Ever
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Yes, the same would've happened.
I think the Taliban was always going to take back over, but would it have been this quickly and would circumstances have been as dire?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:01 am to DangerousWafer
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oh wait, I've not heard them.
You don't know shite. And don't act like you do
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:05 am to Deuces
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Hypothetical: Do people think this would’ve happened under Trump?
Maybe. The CIA did a lot of shite he didn't want/authorize and are perfectly capable of enabling/pulling off something like this.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:07 am to jcaz
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Trump would have properly planned our pull out.
Trump had a plan. Trump also knows a plan is never set in stone. It's a guideline.
The Biden admin said they were following Trump's plan but they never followed it.
For one, Biden never met the May 1st deadline to officially withdraw. Two, Biden abandoned Afghan security forces by not allowing special forces to remain in the shadows for support.
The Afghans between May 1st and now were propagandized by the Taliban, demoralized and grew into disarray.
That is how Biden fricked up.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:07 am to DangerousWafer
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Here come the rebuttals... oh wait, I've not heard them.
You haven't addressed the real issue so there is nothing to rebut. You can argue being there was a fools errand to begin with and I would be right with you but the point is Biden straight up abandoned those people with no plan whatsoever. Trump would not have done that.
And, do you think it's appropriate for the American president and his administration to go totally silent in the face of an event of this proportion? Let's see how you deflect around that
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:08 am to Deuces
Who cares. Biden us in charge. He has been POTUS long enough to reverse Trump’s policies and institute his own policies. In fact he had done just that in most areas already.
He ran against Trump as a better leader. Biden needs to lead abd quit making excuses.
He ran against Trump as a better leader. Biden needs to lead abd quit making excuses.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:09 am to SDVTiger
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You don't know shite. And don't act like you do
I've never claimed 'I know shite.' Anyone who says they do doesn't understand how complex the situation is, which is why ascribing blame to one individual or administration is faulty.
It's exactly why I blame multiple leaders for this. Anyone who says they 'know' exactly who is to blame and then comes out with one leader to blame is faulty.
That's exactly my point.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:10 am to FredBear
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You can argue being there was a fools errand to begin with and I would be right with you but the point is Biden straight up abandoned those people with no plan whatsoever. Trump would not have done that.
Do we know that?
There was faulty information that the Afghan army wouldn't fall that easily and there would be time to evacuate.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:13 am to DangerousWafer
Convenient deflection for the Hider in chief's lack of planning and leadership.
It's complex!
It's complex!
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