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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:51 pm to NPComb
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:51 pm to NPComb
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How so? What am I personally getting from the Ukraine, Russia, or Europe that will come out of my pocket?
I'll give you one easy example: gas prices
I'll give you a second (if you're not on KETO): bread prices
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:51 pm to lsu777
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is it? is kidnapping kids and sending them back to russia for adoption and to be raised as russians....hyperbolic?
Is this like how the Germans were bayonetting babies in Belgium?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:51 pm to upgrayedd
The left finally succeeds in convincing the right that proxy wars, puppet regimes, and nation building are wrong, then immediately turn into bloodthirsty neocons.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:53 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:It's really bizarre. I think the Arab Spring was the genesis of this transition.
The left finally succeeds in convincing the right that proxy wars, puppet regimes, and nation building are wrong, then immediately turn into bloodthirsty neocons.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:53 pm to Indefatigable
quote:Historically, European invasions did not come through Latvia. They came through Ukraine.
I believe that Russia's lack of throwing a shite-fit in 2004 supports this line of thinking
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:54 pm to upgrayedd
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I never said it did. I'm just saying I understand why he did it. I don't know why that opinion always has to be correlated with full support of his actions.
ok well we are prolly on same page
no doubt he did it, i would say he sees the EU as more of threat from econimic standpoint and losing influence in the area than truely a nato safety concern issue. he knows nato would never attack russia but certainly the EU would have and was/is well on its way to snuffing out russian influence in the area
and i certainly see why he did it, but he is still a piece of shite and cant condone his actions. he has set his country back 35 years economically and militarly and in the end unless he is willing to use tactical nukes, he will end up having to admit defeat.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This thread is about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, though.
No No No.
You said a lie is a lie. We are just as fricking loathsome as any of them. No one looks at us and sees truth and light anymore. We did as much to create this mess as anyone.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:55 pm to Vacherie Saint
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The left finally succeeds in convincing the right that proxy wars, puppet regimes, and nation building are wrong, then immediately turn into bloodthirsty neocons.
i am not a neocon and sure as frick not a lefty and i didnt want us to spend any money on this shite but we have and are...make it worth it.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Would only second-guess the obscene amount of money we spent on realizing it.
Only slightly related, but just scattershooting while wondering about an even more leading question.
Who would actually become distraught and anxiety-ridden were Putin to be "invited" to make a personal appearance before The Hague, even if they have to wheel him in on a gurney with an IV hooked up to him.
Just imagine the optics. The purported liberator, the Simon Bolivar of Eastern Europe, who was trusted to save us all from the globalists - right there in the middle of them at their leisure.
Only slightly related, but just scattershooting while wondering about an even more leading question.
Who would actually become distraught and anxiety-ridden were Putin to be "invited" to make a personal appearance before The Hague, even if they have to wheel him in on a gurney with an IV hooked up to him.
Just imagine the optics. The purported liberator, the Simon Bolivar of Eastern Europe, who was trusted to save us all from the globalists - right there in the middle of them at their leisure.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:When you refer to "the international order", what are you referring to?
the transaction costs of the international order being disrupted will be great.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:58 pm to lsu777
If China moved on Taiwan, we wouldnt do shite.
All of this virtue signaling would be replaced by silence.
All of this virtue signaling would be replaced by silence.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:00 pm to sta4ever
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Are we in the pre WWII days or 2022? Surely you can understand that a conflict featuring major world powers, who are armed with nuclear weapons, is not fought the same way as WWII right?
In WW2 there was an attack on American soil. In 2022, we are the ones poking the bear this time. It's not our business. With zero involvement it would mean a much lower chance we get involved in an escalation with either Russia or Ukraine. Let them fight.
America First.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:01 pm to Vacherie Saint
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No No No.
You said a lie is a lie.
Yes, and we're talking about the invasion of Ukraine, so lie s associated with that action (or those leading up, etc.)
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No one looks at us and sees truth and light anymore.
No one?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The entire international system is going to face costly blowback. The question is how much and for how long?
You make a strong case to avoid globalism. We can agree on something here.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No one?
No one. The Ukraine and NATO looks at us like an ATM machine. Russia looks at us and sees EXACTLY what we see when we look at them.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
You schlubs should worry more about the problems domestically than the ones over there. To put it politely, we are royally fricked.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why can't we stay out it 100%?
It's likely going to cost Americans hundreds of billions of dollars.
Sounds objective enough to me.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:08 pm to lsu777
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your lord and savior putin.
You're an idiot who's not interested in adult conversation. I don't know that it would matter if you were, because I don't think you're actually capable of it.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:12 pm to NPComb
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You make a strong case to avoid globalism.
That's going to have even higher costs.
But yes, inherent in the discussion about Ukraine is one of "globalism", as was discussed in my previous thread about the malleability of "globalism".
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That was their gameplan in Crimea and Georgia. No reason to think it wouldn't be used again.
Again, I don't care. These countries have zero effect on me.
How much money does Russia have to wage on multiple campaigns?
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