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re: How important are Confederate monuments to you?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:57 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:57 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Their Great Leap Forward was more, drastic.
Same principle though, and now they are a shell of who they were.
That’s the thing about your kind of progress.
It’s not progress.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Stacey Abrams plans on removing the Confederate engravings on Stone Mountain and other Confederate monuments and statues as a first order of business when she occupies the Governor's mansion. This won't sit well with many old school Georgians.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Stop trying to reform us.
We don’t want to change.
We don’t want to change.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:20 pm to FT
Not really in my day to day plans to stare at a statute
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:23 pm to FT
frick the confederacy.
That said, the monuments just aren't so important that I feel the need to tear down/remove every one I see. I got more important shite to worry about.
That said, the monuments just aren't so important that I feel the need to tear down/remove every one I see. I got more important shite to worry about.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:43 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:You do not refute my point by redacting that part of it which you cannot refute.quote:No, you can't.
You can erase history from the minds of the illiterate masses by removing all visible evidence of it.
People can choose to ignore history, like all the history leading up to the Civil War showing that the conflict was actually over slavery. But just because people don't want to remember the Kansas-Nebraska Act, or the Missouri Compromise, doesn't mean they didn't happen.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:51 pm to VOR
quote:Not all of us live in New Orleans. Perhaps you could share ...?
The monuments were not erectedmerely to remember history. Just read the inscription on the original plaque at Lee Circle.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 2:03 pm to FT
As a museum piece they're fine, but we shouldn't have monuments to them.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 2:21 pm to ChineseBandit58
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NOW - 175 years later, after an opposition party has driven the black people the war was fought to liberate into a dependent welfare state of dysfunction that they use this stunt to rile up emotional nonsense for the purposes of undermining a duly elected president. Those statues represent more honorable men - and true patriots - than any DEMOCRAT national leader in today's world.
Thank you for that timely and accurate assessment. Spot on. Thanks.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 2:49 pm to skrayper
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As a museum piece they're fine, but we shouldn't have monuments to them.
This.
This is better context. Nobody's trying to "erase history," but there's a distinct difference between those venues of display.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 2:49 pm to FT
Don’t take away their participation trophies.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 4:08 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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People on this board call NFL players who kneel before the flag traitors. What should we call Americans that would actually FIRE on the flag?
I am not among those people. I deplore the self agrandizing stance most of the NFL players take when kneeling and implicitly or tacitly supporting organizations like BLM whose being and mission flow from false narratives and funding by real America haters like Soros and his ilk.
I think that the players have a contractual obligation to their employers to play football, win championships, and leave the politics, social justice warrioring, and virtue signaling at the stadium gate.
Outside the stadium, on their time, using their fame to further a cause, however foolish or repugnant it might seem to me, I support, with blood if necessary.
Also, actions have consequences, and exercising the right of free speech may be costly to reputation, financial well being, and ultimately, even life itself. So the NFL players need to quit complaining as their antics have cost them little more than approbation and name calling from their fans.
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The flag represents the Union. You are either for the Union, or you are against it. If you are against it, you are against the flag.
Not so. I am a Christian and Christ's Church is beset with divisions, petty bickering, a lack of love and holiness among its branches and among its individuals, and is even plagued by ancient heresies. I do not cease to love Christ, his Church, and his people because of it. Nor do I cease to love the Republic because she has drifted far from her noble Constitutional moorings and noble calling.
Similarly, I believe, that history shows a deep love of country, in the antebellum South, that was expressed first towards the individual state of birth and home and secondly, in The United States.
The differences between the regions, particularly in cultural attitudes, economic models, philosophical views of government, and the albatross of slavery hung about their necks divided one country into two. Or at least made the long simmering divisions apparent. The South sought independence and the North compelled unity at the sword point.
You judge both sides by today's prejudiced myopia. The CSA's military thought themselves patriots defending their country from invaders. I think your judgement of them as traitors is a mischaracterization that I fully understand but do not embrace.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 4:11 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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The CSA's military thought themselves patriots
They couldn't have been more wrong in their assessment.
Treason shouldn't be celebrated in the form of monuments.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 4:13 pm to skrayper
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As a museum piece they're fine, but we shouldn't have monuments to them.
This is the sensible answer. And honestly neither side would be happy.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 4:29 pm to LSUconvert
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Treason shouldn't be celebrated in the form of monuments.
There was nothing in the Constitution against leaving the Union.
What ever you feel or think or what political side your on its a fact.
Not treason at all in 1861.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 4:30 pm to FT
This is a non issue for the mid terms. Politically speaking.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:52 pm to FT
None of my ancestors fought in that war...and yet they are important to me. Although their presence doesn’t affect my life on a day to day basis, their absence speaks of the empowerment of an evil force in this county that would not only rewrite history, but then move on to silencing thought and speech they don’t approve of. We are already seeing this. So yes, they are important. The attack on confederate monuments is a surrogate for an attack on the first amendment.
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