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re: How exactly are we supposed to jump to renewable sources of power?

Posted on 11/10/21 at 1:53 pm to
Posted by Landmass
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 1:53 pm to
And where are we going to find enough lithium for all of those batteries? Maybe the asteroid that will hit us and be made out of lithium.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
131593 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:30 pm to
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What about nuclear waste? Is nuclear worth it in the long run? NO


Relative to the amount of energy produced it is a tiny amount of waste. Modern reactors only have to be refueled every 5 years or so I think
Posted by Zahrim
McCamey Texas
Member since Mar 2009
8154 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:31 pm to
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Wind? - Most wind farms have been decimated by the fact that the windmills actually take more money to maintain than they generate in power generation.

Solar, to my understanding, is still extremely inefficient. The amount of power it takes to build solar panels compared to the power that they generate is a net loss


Everything you said there is wrong. I tell you this as a conservitive who works in the solar and wind industry as a field technician.

Solar panels repay manufacturering costs in energy within the first 4 years of their 20 to 25 year lifespan.

Wind O&M costs have been driven down significantly industry wide primarially due to my companies efforts as the largest green energy generator in north america. Wind is profitable without the PTC but the ptc makes building new assets happen faster. no one ever factors in with oil the cost we spend with our military maintaing open sea navagation, including the gulf of hormuz.


We also have nuclear and significant gas generation as well as gas pipeline all across the south.

The facts are even if we got to 50% renewable we still do not have the technology to get away from fossil fuels. period. and to get to 50%, at the rate we are building will take 4 or more decades and that doesnt consider the lack of infrastructure to transmit the power. we need to increase our distribution infrastructure 150% just to suppoer those idiots ideas of having 100% EV by 2035.


Posted by FlyingTiger1955
Member since Jan 2019
5765 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 3:30 pm to
Well if people were reasonable and we went back to the Dark Ages, we could easily achieve this. Electricity would be for the elites, the peasants get to starve and freeze. I think the Democrats should run on this in 2022.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9549 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 3:37 pm to
Wind, The American taxpayer pays the subsidies to cover the loses incurred during production. Because of the subsidies, wind farm owners can report a profit. The only reason. The cost to operate for only 8-10 hours a day don’t come near the need to replace fossil fuels.

Solar farms only productive while the sun is up. The biggest decline factor in solar panels? Heat. Heat.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 3:50 pm
Posted by tiger 56
Severn, MD
Member since Dec 2003
1712 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 3:49 pm to
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Only 2 legit disasters


TMI?
Posted by corneredbeast
02134
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 4:38 pm to
Does anyone have numbers (U.S.) on the amount of energy consumed by work done via electrical motor vs the amount of energy consumed by work done via internal combustion engine?
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 6:38 pm to
Easy, watch Southpark and the Underpants Gnomes
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 6:40 pm to
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Well if people were reasonable and we went back to the Dark Ages, we could easily achieve this. Electricity would be for the elites, the peasants get to starve and freeze.


I think the Democrats accept this, and see it as a good thing.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 6:41 pm
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
12297 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 6:42 pm to
We need to go nuclear big time.
Posted by Seppuku
Member since Nov 2021
340 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:00 pm to
I thought recycling plants were to be energy producers at one time in 80's-90's? A small amount, but the recycle plants could run mostly on their own w/ the energy produced through recycling. Well, that apparently didn't go well.

Then everything went to solar and wind.

I had a couple of nuclear science classes late 80's and absolutely thought that was the future. The 2 professors I had were pro-nuclear but concerned about the waste, but were confident we would find a way to reuse the waste for energy one day or find better ways of disposal. I haven't researched nuclear in 2 decades + so any nuclear experts out here, enlighten us.
Posted by QboveTopSecret
America
Member since Feb 2018
3495 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:11 pm to
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Well if people were reasonable and we went back to the Dark Ages, we could easily achieve this. Electricity would be for the elites, the peasants get to starve and freeze. I think the Democrats should run on this in 2022.


They have no choice, this is a top down revolution.
Posted by exiledhogfan
Missouri
Member since Jul 2021
1334 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:14 pm to
We have more than enough nuclear material to stand up nuclear power plants around the country.

Streamline the process to approve them.

Done.
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
8655 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:25 pm to
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Nuclear is clean particularly modern reactors

This country should be 90% nuclear.


Until the operators and engineers have to go through Diversity training and people are hired based on some physical trait rather than their ability to stop a frickn nuclear meltdown.

IMO, even the refinery's and chem plants are no place for hiring based on this.

The accidents we hear of now days, I would wager a fair amount, are not from people regardless of race or sex that actually know what's going on but more of people hired to fill some quota.
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
7045 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:25 pm to
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how in the world can we make enough electricity?

You can’t. At least the way they want to do it. The more electric cars you have on the road means more power needs to be generated to charge them. The grid as it stands right now does not have enough reserve for anything. It’s running at capacity most days already
Posted by davyjones
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:29 pm to
And I mean hell, what about big rigs, the ones that distribute our essential goods throughout this vast land of ours, are there electric 18-wheelers that I'm just unaware of? Or are they not in the equation by way of exemption?
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
15187 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 7:36 pm to
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By increasing solar and wind production


They'll have to make gearboxes that don't need oil or lubrication..

Good luck with that shite
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
22216 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:04 pm to
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Well, if you significantly reduced the amount of people


Actually, that is the only way to save the environment. Overpopulation will always be the number one problem...
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
26632 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:10 pm to
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increasing solar and wind production


Good luck with that when winter comes. They are already talking about the winter vortex and how it's not going to be producing much wind. Just a calm, still cold. Then what?
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
11018 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:09 am to



Chemistry and Physics puts the bounds on what is possible . Engineering puts the boundary to work on what is economically viable.

liberal arts politics is what screws it all up.

No one has yet put together an R&D level calculation of what a 100 ppm co2 change does to earths temperature based on insufficient transmittance and reflectivity data to meet order of magnitude calculation rules.

Its all a scam.
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