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re: How does dissolving Reedy Creek equal Florida protecting children?
Posted on 4/23/22 at 10:57 am to 850SaintsGator
Posted on 4/23/22 at 10:57 am to 850SaintsGator
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I care bc it seems like an ignorant point but a few keep making it and i don’t think y’all are all ignorant so I’m trying to see yalls point of view.
The people of Florida overwhelmingly passed this legislation by like a 75% mandate and it had bi-partisan support. This is what the voters have decided as it relates to what is appropriate to teach children about this stuff and at what age. This law is what the people of Florida have decided about this matter.
Disney continued to weigh and after its passage vowing to get it undone and oppose those who supported the measure. In other words they inserted themselves into the matter after it was settled vowing to thwart the will of the voters. DeSantis and the legislature just sent a not so subtle message that a bunch of non-elelected corporate executives on the other side of the country can kindly stay out of the issue of how children in the State of Florida are educated on this subject. Disney continued to double down on its threats and they were told they would no longer be allowed to operate as an entity unto themselves.
You should be cheering for this and not because of issue at hand but because a bunch of unelected corporatists got checked trying to impose something on the people they clearly opposed and just got a serious reality check.
So does that answer your question?
This post was edited on 4/23/22 at 2:59 pm
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Posted on 4/23/22 at 10:57 am to 850SaintsGator
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Why was Disney silent on this? Bc they know this bill was meaningless and they didn’t want real damage.
Sounds like it accomplished exactly what desantis wanted which was for Disney to stfu sit down and sell some Mickey Mouse ears
Posted on 4/23/22 at 10:57 am to 850SaintsGator
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Bc they know this bill was meaningless
You: This bill is an incredible violation of conservative principles.
Also you: This bill doesn’t do anything.
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it was ALL about punishing Disney for speaking out again the bill
Are you against consequences for corporations lobbying for child abuse?
Posted on 4/23/22 at 10:59 am to Adam Banks
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I look forward to miles and miles of red tape for the next roller coaster approval just for added measure
And when challenge need to use the Biden oil “ there are more than enough roller coaster permits available but Disney isn’t using them”
Disney pays almost a $1b in property taxes a year- they ousted the former Tax Collector in 2020, their political clout is pretty strong …they’ll get the same white glove treatment that universal gets
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:00 am to the808bass
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You: This bill is an incredible violation of conservative principles. Also you: This bill doesn’t do anything.
While also ignoring that the left used the friggin IRS to target conservatives.
I guess that’s ok though because the left “is for big government the right can’t do this because they are for small government”
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:02 am to 850SaintsGator
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How does dissolving Reedy Creek equal Florida protecting children?
Because losing tens of millions of dollars in benefits is a great example of frick around and find out.
You'll notice how they openly bitched about the Parental Rights bill but were silent on the Dissolving of Reedy Creek. Seems they've already learned their lesson.
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:02 am to 850SaintsGator
You just said that they shut the hell up because they were scared.
Which is it?
Seems to me they have realized they screwed with the wrong damn conservative.
Seems to me like big Ron is winning bigly.
Which is it?
Seems to me they have realized they screwed with the wrong damn conservative.
Seems to me like big Ron is winning bigly.
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:03 am to 850SaintsGator
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Naw man, i did one on how this bill is the antithesis of a small government conservative belief system
You might be against nuclear warfare, but if your opponent starts launching nukes you do the same.
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:07 am to 850SaintsGator
This concern is hilarious.
Desantis did something the left always clamors for. You advocate for it.. you campaign on it.. hell you protest for it. Making a corporation more accountable and to pay “their fair share. Moar money for education. Moar money for infrastructure. Moar money for the poor. Moar money.
It happens….. and you dolts are full of hate, sadness, and tearful questions???
Do you people even KNOW what you want anymore? Perpetually? Not just the outrage du jour. what you actually want and will be happy about?
Desantis did something the left always clamors for. You advocate for it.. you campaign on it.. hell you protest for it. Making a corporation more accountable and to pay “their fair share. Moar money for education. Moar money for infrastructure. Moar money for the poor. Moar money.
It happens….. and you dolts are full of hate, sadness, and tearful questions???
Do you people even KNOW what you want anymore? Perpetually? Not just the outrage du jour. what you actually want and will be happy about?
This post was edited on 4/23/22 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:07 am to 850SaintsGator
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That’s a fair assessment- would you be ok if Biden (or any D Gov) targeted the My Pillow guy with legislation?
Many blue governors and mayors targeted Chik-Fil-A during the gay marriage push because the CEO donated personal funds to groups that were defending traditional marriage.
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:08 am to 850SaintsGator
Don’t give a frick. Glad Florida is taking a stand against this shite. Disney is supposed to be about family entertainment. Those bitches jumped into politics. Tough.
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:11 am to 850SaintsGator
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850SaintsGator
You sure seem to be freaking out over this.
You suspect.
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:15 am to 850SaintsGator
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their political clout is pretty strong
Not strong enough to stop this, apparently.
DeSantis kicked Mickey Mouse in the nuts and most everyone cheered. Disney needs to stop and figure out why before opening their mouth again.
Progressives have taken their bullshite too far. This is what happens when you make parents a voting block.
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:19 am to 850SaintsGator
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would you be ok if Biden (or any D Gov) targeted the My Pillow guy with legislation?
This is a false equivalency.
Whatever your opinion of Mike Lindell or the legitimacy of the 2020 election, promoting the idea that the Presidency was stolen from Trump and promoting the insane and antiscientific notion that children can “transition” to the opposite sex by following a regimen of chemical castration are two wholly different things.
This post was edited on 4/23/22 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:29 am to Toomer Deplorable
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This is a false equivalency.
Whatever your opinion of Mike Lindell or the legitimacy of the 2020 election, promoting the idea that the Presidency was stolen from Trump and promoting the insane and antiscientific notion that children can “transition” to the opposite sex by following a regimen of chemical castration are two wholly different things.
So i was responding to {lsut81} who said:
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It teaches businesses that if you’re gonna be on the govt teet, to stay in your lane and quit spreading lies
So you are kinda taking my analogy out of context / my analogy focused on her last two comments and i don’t know but i bet he gets some tax write off somewhere so the gov teet part applies.
You have no argument with me on re: trans/anti science etc -just that you have expanded my analogy further than intended
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:31 am to 850SaintsGator
quote:When the Feds come after Disney, that will be a salient question. Until then, it isn't. In terms of state governments, are you a supporter of the tenth amendment?
That’s a fair assessment- would you be ok if Biden
You've asked about "big government", implying that DeSantis' move here is "big government". In fact, it's just the opposite. Tax bills granting tax exemptions in some instances, but not in others is stereotypic "big government".
Disney rejoining the tax paying masses, and perhaps allowing for a compensatory across-the-board tax reduction, is a move away from "big government".
This post was edited on 4/23/22 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:41 am to NC_Tigah
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You've asked about "big government", implying that DeSantis' move here is "big government". In fact, it's just the opposite. Tax bills granting tax exemptions in some instances, but not in others is stereotypic "big government".
Disney rejoining the tax paying masses, and perhaps allowing for a compensatory across-the-board tax reduction, is a move away from "big government".
It’s big government bc it takes a previously private controlled “government” and gives it to a local government- there will be no added tax given bc Disney already paid property taxes - just now, the 200plus firefighter force will be under county control (which expands the county’s budgets) and the close to $1b bond - essentially- deSantis expanded the local government control
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:46 am to 850SaintsGator
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My honest opinion
OK - that was a better response than I anticipated, so you deserve an equally honest reply.
It seems your problem is that "conservatives just don't do these kind of things" - and that is what most of us have thought for a long time also. Don't know how old your are - but I have been around since the Great Depression and have watched this nation grow strong and honorable. I have also seen it make grave mistakes, but always strove to honorable atone for them and ensure they didn't become our 'way of life.'
I dont have the time to produce a complete rationalization for my acceptance of the "retribution" aspect of your problem. But it has to be equivalent to "fight fire with fire"
I have witnessed what happens when one side of a dispute acts honorably, and the other side not only acts dishonorably, but plans their attacks on the supposition that the other side 'just wouldn't do that."
Well - it is about time that we dip our toe into that cold pool. Allowing the other side to load up their gloves with brass knuckles while we continue fighting with Queensbury's rules has resulted in our being beaten to a bloody pulp. Especially since the referees themselves are aligned with the 'other' side.
Now - if the decision to sanction Disney is a bad one on its merits, then that would be a bad decision. I am 'trusting' that DeSantis is more aware of the independent merit of this action than I am likely to be.
But I will give you this - IF this turns out to be a BAD decisions on its merits - then I will join you in denouncing DeSantis for doing it.
BUT - if it is meritorious on its own, just because it was prompted by Disney's dishonorable actions is no reason to not do it.
It's about time that some penalty is paid by these high and mighty organization who totally lie about every political item that comes across their desk.
anyway -
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:48 am to 850SaintsGator
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there will be no added tax given
Oh really?
So you think for the past 60 years Disney has been voluntarily taking on massive added expenses that could otherwise be provided by the local government with only minimal benefit?
In what way does that make sense.
You bought the Disney owned medias propaganda hook line and sinker my friend
Posted on 4/23/22 at 11:49 am to 850SaintsGator
A Better question is why does 850SaintsGator support child abuse. Do you think he only supports child abuse or is he also a child abuser? Let me know in the comments below.
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