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re: How do you think they compromised Mike Johnson?

Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:22 am to
Posted by 19
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:22 am to
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Yet its "hit turn again" when hes the one who jump started this inflation.

Shows how fricking broken the voters are.


Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33753 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:22 am to
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New blood.

Do you think voting for the guy who added 8 trillion to the debt is "change?"

Its not.


I supported DeSantis. Would he have been better? Who knows. I thought Mike Johnson would be better. I was fricking wrong. What a failure and a disappointment.
Posted by bizeagle
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:23 am to
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He has a very narrow majority, and is trying his best to navigate that.

you nailed it. How could Johnson control Ken Buck's sabotage move, leading a revolt to turn the house back over to the DNC? Johnson is trying to hold things together and get through the next election cycle.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33753 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:23 am to
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by putting him a terrible position..

"The goverment will close if you don't approve this"


The same situation that has occurred yearly for about 25 years? The same situation that occurred just a few months ago? Wow, that's a real pickle isn't it?
Posted by 19
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:24 am to
Congress is a cesspool.

ALL of them need to go.

Even my favs (Gaetz, Kennedy, Donaldson, etc.) are infected to some extent and compromised.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:25 am to
But why didn't he begrudgingly support it? He openly professed his love for Ukraine funding.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:25 am to
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I supported DeSantis. Would he have been better? Who knows



Thats still better territory than "already failed and rewarded again."


Until GOP voters are committed to cutting government we will get every growing governemnt. It starts at the top, find an actual leader with vision and discipline.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26705 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:27 am to
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I want office now to just hit fhe parties and resign


That's the problem; nobody wants to resign once they've seen all the glitz. It's a system that's been around for a long time and it's been proven. My buddy admitted it's very, very difficult to keep it all from going to your head, and most of them probably don't even try.

This is from a casual conversation and not some formal interview, but the families are there at first to see them get sworn in, so early parties are family friendly. They roll out the red carpet and the traps are there but subtle. As the families leave the parties become more and more closed to where they consist of nothing but politicians and lobbyists, and that's where it gets more blatant. You want to double-team those two cocktail servers who look like Victoria's Secret models (the ones from 20 years ago, not current)? Say the word. Damn the luck, there happened to be a camera in that room.

I wouldn't put it past men in black planting kiddie porn or slipping a roofie to someone to take a picture of them with a minor, but I don't think they typically need to do that. And even the ones who stay "clean" like to get re-elected and need campaign contributions to do that, and they may not screw around but that all-inclusive fly fishing trip sure is nice, and there's nothing wrong with fly fishing, is there?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33753 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:27 am to
I may never vote for a republican again, at least in a federal election. Not that it matters, but at least I will feel better about it.

I'll vote libertarian or just not vote.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20658 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:29 am to
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Cool. Then don't pretend to be a man of God,


I believe we found the most likely area of compromise. Dirt held over someone in this realm is damn powerful dirt.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20658 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:30 am to
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Cool. Then don't pretend to be a man of God,


Double post...but worth reading twice!
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 10:31 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292699 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:31 am to
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I may never vote for a republican again, at least in a federal election. Not that it matters, but at least I will feel better about it.


Democrats started locally and took over municipalities, then States and now Federal politics.

My biggest beef with MAGA isnt Trump. Hes a run of the mill TV opportunists and thats what they do.

Its his rabid followers

Populism is oil and water to conservative politics, this will never ever work. Its doomed to fail from the start and just means bloated budgets.

There are no real parties, but 4 factions. Progressive, liberal, conservative and MAGA.

Progressivism and MAGA are populist. They can only play a fringe role at best.

But the few uber loud make the most noise, so we have nothing but chaos. On the national scene nothing can be done, this is the best we can hope for until we find actual leadership.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 10:33 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463673 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:41 am to
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Although, I've seen people make somewhat convincing arguments that we should go all the way back to the original representation numbers as set forth in the Constitution (1 per 30,000 people), which would give us like 11,000 House members.

Would definitely kill gerrymandering

Also would likely kill the GOP
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33753 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:43 am to
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There are no real parties, but 4 factions. Progressive, liberal, conservative and MAGA.


There is another small government, libertarian-ish faction.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109334 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:43 am to
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Although, I've seen people make somewhat convincing arguments that we should go all the way back to the original representation numbers as set forth in the Constitution (1 per 30,000 people), which would give us like 11,000 House members.

Would definitely kill gerrymandering

Also would likely kill the GOP


I think it could completely upend our whole idea of "parties" on a federal level, which might not be a bad thing. Or, at least, it's hard to see how it could be worse than the path we are on now.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292699 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:45 am to
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I think it could completely upend our whole idea of "parties" on a federal level, which might not be a bad thing.


It would be a great thing. Even parliamentary structures seem to be more reactive to the will of the people than our two party system
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292699 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:48 am to
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There is another small government, libertarian-ish faction.


Seems to be invisible right now.

It was popular a decade ago though.

Our two party system promotes binary politics. And of course the two parties situate themselves as closely as they can together.

All of us to the right and left of center are gonna feel disenfranchised a bit.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463673 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:51 am to
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I think it could completely upend our whole idea of "parties" on a federal level

I thought about that while sending but I didn't give enough time to think about it because I'm in court

I was envisioning a Parliamentarian style party system on steroids.

Could you imagine trying to form a coalition with 11k reps?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33753 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:57 am to
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Seems to be invisible right now.

It was popular a decade ago though.


Because the people associate themselves with other factions that don't represent them, due to a lack of ideological purity.

Rand Paul and Robert Kennedy likely have more in common than Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell; or Robert Kennedy and Chuck Schumer. They all obviously have major disagreements as well.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53512 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:08 am to
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It’s easy to spout an opinion when you aren’t responsible for any outcomes. Leadership requires compromise…and with a narrow majority requires more compromise.


It's interesting how often we hear the word compromise when talking about republican politicians working with Dim politicians..... compromise is the wrong word, when Republicans in the House "reach across the aisle" a more appropriate word would be acquiescing, acquiescing to D.C. Uniparty Globalists.
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