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re: How do you love democracy and hate populism simultaneously?
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:56 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:56 pm to GumboPot
The primary issues that populism means no principles. No principles is a scary proposition and leads to irrational mob mentality from all sides. To put it another way we want people thinking about elections and politics and not feeling things about elections and politics. Logic over emotion. The individual over the mob
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Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:56 pm to Powerman
You going to get embarrassed in front of your little friends. I’m just telling you.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:58 pm to the808bass
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All I know is the current iteration of these terms is that Trump’s populists support is a threat to democracy which we do not have in the U.S.
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No one (virtually) on this board has been saying that.
In terms of this board exactly. Most people who want to vote Republican but not Trump are just worried about Democrats winning because they don't think Trump can win. That's not an indictment of populism as it pertains to democracy and it's an idiosyncratic variable that Trump himself creates and only Trump
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:58 pm to GumboPot
Define populism
Then die in a fire
TIA
Then die in a fire
TIA
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:58 pm to davyjones
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You going to get embarrassed in front of your little friends. I’m just telling you.
Calm down tough guy. You're starting to sound borderline retarded.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:04 pm to Elblancodiablo
It’s not a secret why Trump appears to be leading in muh polls. Most of the GOP electorate is no more intelligent or informed than your average leftist. This is the danger of populism.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:06 pm to Powerman
I’m really just fricking around with that, but as long as we’re giving each other advice, mine to you is be more calm and restrained in both verbiage and delivery. Oh and never let ‘em see you sweat…..when one becomes triggered and frustrated, they seeing you sweat.
I’ll take your remarks under consideration, even though I’m not quite sure if I should rely on the certitude of your criticism. What are your qualifications in the areas in which you’re criticizing my product? Any answer is a good answer. No answer is a bad answer.
I’ll take your remarks under consideration, even though I’m not quite sure if I should rely on the certitude of your criticism. What are your qualifications in the areas in which you’re criticizing my product? Any answer is a good answer. No answer is a bad answer.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:11 pm to GumboPot
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We must save our democracy by defeating populism
-GOP
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The primary issues that populism means no principles.
It depends on the political movement that populism represents. Populism that led to Brexit in England was good in my estimation. Populism that leads to fairer trade, less wars and secure borders is good too.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:16 pm to GumboPot
Democracy is not without its faults but it is the best system. Populism can be a problem in a democracy if the populism includes giving usual power and treatment of individual personalities.
It was populism after all that gave us the horrible expansion of government during the New Deal and gave us prohibition.
It was populism after all that gave us the horrible expansion of government during the New Deal and gave us prohibition.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:23 pm to GumboPot
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We must save our democracy by defeating populism.
That’s the argument in a nutshell from the TDS infected. It makes no sense.
With populism you are just trading "power of the elites" for the "power of the mob".
If you are conservative, you don't want either one.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:30 pm to frogtown
The “mob” being citizens. So what “power” of the citizens are you referencing? What “power” of the citizens does populism actually contemplate? And it’s not uprising or physical overthrow of the government. That’s not a natural or default or expected aspect of populism, not in the context of populism that’s subject of this discussion.
So what “power” of the mob-citizens is there to be concerned with or skeptical of?
So what “power” of the mob-citizens is there to be concerned with or skeptical of?
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:31 pm to davyjones
Look up “the French Revolution.”
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:33 pm to GumboPot
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That’s the argument in a nutshell from the TDS infected. It makes no sense.
It’s a shame that there aren’t any people left who had to live under Huey Long.
He loved himself some authoritarianism to go alongside the grift.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:33 pm to davyjones
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So what “power” of the mob-citizens is there to be concerned with or skeptical of?
In theory a mob could restrict the freedoms of others.
Not everyone wants all the freedoms that you may enjoy.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:33 pm to GumboPot
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More control. Sometimes it led to terrible results and sometimes not.
The way we’re doing it populism is causing chaos that will inevitably result in tyranny.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:36 pm to davyjones
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So what “power” of the mob-citizens is there to be concerned with or skeptical of?
The groupthink and crowd psychology that comes from it. Theyre easily manipulated by Demagogues.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:41 pm to Powerman
Well, if and when “the mob” inappropriately restricts the freedom of others, that’s what societal rules and regulations and laws are for, to address any such issues. Of course we expect those rules and regulations and laws to be applied legally, constitutionally and equally - but that’s another discussion altogether.
Basically what I was referring to in my post was representation of the “little man” in the highest levels of government, voting and elections and such. That’s the “mob rule” I’m referring to.
Basically what I was referring to in my post was representation of the “little man” in the highest levels of government, voting and elections and such. That’s the “mob rule” I’m referring to.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:48 pm to GumboPot
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We must save our democracy by defeating populism.
That’s the argument in a nutshell from the TDS infected.
No it isn't.
Conservatives may not populism (I don't), but conservatives also don't run around whining about threats to our "democracy."
Liberals do, and liberals don't mind populism one bit. They've been arguing for populism for decades now.
They just like THEIR brands of populism. If they are claiming to be against populism, they're full of it and someone needs to call them on it.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 12/10/23 at 7:01 pm to Powerman
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I haven't seen anyone make this claim that you just imagined out of thin air
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Powerbottom is retarded
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The GOP Can’t Afford to Indulge Populism
And on, and on, and on...
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