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Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:01 pm to KiwiHead
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I blame the computer screen.
computer screen != tablet screen. Just gonna mention that. (you need to be able to read and type to use a computer)
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Unfortunately, retention doesn't really improve outcomes. It actually increases the likelihood the retained student will drop out of high school.
I would rather kids drop out than show up and be disruptive to kids who want to learn. I think that while the evidence is inconclusive regarding holding kids back leading to noticeably better outcomes for those students, the evidence points to overwhelmingly negative consequences for all of the other students when those who cannot read get promoted. The reality is that beyond 4th grade, they will not be receiving any phonics education at all. Thus, there is almost zero chance of them learning to read post 4th grade without intervention. Holding them back is the least harmful option for both the student being held back and the other students in their class.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:04 pm to the808bass
I didn't say they need to be graduated. I responded to his assumption that retaining students helps them learn. Why so hostile?
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:04 pm to deuceiswild
True... we have to figure out the answer to why our current nationwide system is producing parents and kids that think and communicate at a junior high level.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:04 pm to SammyTiger
Yes. Trading critical thinking and the traditional emphasis on reading, writing and arithmetic for ideological immersion are PRECISELY why kids can’t read. There is only so many hours in the school day.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:05 pm to Adam Loves Mayo
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What the hell is going on with these teachers and parents in our schools?
Democrats. The NEA decided long ago that core curriculum was much less important than indoctrination of kids to become Democratic voters.
We need Trans Day of Awareness and Earth Day classes. Much more important than having kids who can read, write, and think for themselves.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:08 pm to kingbob
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I would rather kids drop out than show up and be disruptive to kids who want to learn.
You're assuming that a child who has been retained doesn't disrupt the classroom after being retained.
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I think that while the evidence is inconclusive regarding holding kids back leading to noticeably better outcomes for those students,
It's conclusive. Retention works when it's paired with targeted academic interventions. Those targeted academic interventions are effective even without retention, though.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:11 pm to Lsupimp
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Yes. Trading critical thinking and the traditional emphasis on reading, writing and arithmetic for ideological immersion are PRECISELY why kids can’t read. There is only so many hours in the school day.
It's the focus on standardized testing. Kids are forced to read article after article and practice answering multiple choice questions about them in preparation for the State Test they will have to endure at the end of the year.
Standardized testing has sucked all the joy from reading at school.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:16 pm to Adam Loves Mayo
None of the people you speak of will read any of this.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:21 pm to wackatimesthree
Mmmmmm, I'll have to split the baby with you on that from first hand knowledge.. I have 4 kids. The two oldest learned how to read and write before 2003. The last two were born in 2003 and 2006 respectively. My youngest son born in 03 was a problem with reading and writing. Resisted reading a book and really nothing more than a few sentences in terms of writing, whereas my youngest , my daughter embraced both....she could knock out a Harry Potter book in a week or less and write long essays.
It was not that my son could not read, he had no problem going on a tablet or phone and reading stuff, but give him a book and you would have thought you were putting him through Chinese water torture. He would not for the longest time, thought that books were stupid and his reading scores in elementary school suffered. Then his two oldest brothers left for college and basically told him that if you wanted to learn the details of something, you better read a book rather than Google it. That message did not sink in until sophomore year in high school when the counselor pulled him in and suggested TOPS tech for him which he recognized was a warehouse program for kids they did not want to deal with . He got the message. Grades improved almost overnight.
My daughter had no such problem even though she was just as exposed to the tech, etc.
Other parents of boys I run into and have spoken to have encountered the same thing. I had wars with my youngest son over it. His two older brothers would try to help but they were teenagers worrying about teen things. It was when the school wanted to classify him as average or below that he finally got the message.
It was not that my son could not read, he had no problem going on a tablet or phone and reading stuff, but give him a book and you would have thought you were putting him through Chinese water torture. He would not for the longest time, thought that books were stupid and his reading scores in elementary school suffered. Then his two oldest brothers left for college and basically told him that if you wanted to learn the details of something, you better read a book rather than Google it. That message did not sink in until sophomore year in high school when the counselor pulled him in and suggested TOPS tech for him which he recognized was a warehouse program for kids they did not want to deal with . He got the message. Grades improved almost overnight.
My daughter had no such problem even though she was just as exposed to the tech, etc.
Other parents of boys I run into and have spoken to have encountered the same thing. I had wars with my youngest son over it. His two older brothers would try to help but they were teenagers worrying about teen things. It was when the school wanted to classify him as average or below that he finally got the message.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:21 pm to 4cubbies
That too, Bestie.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:23 pm to 4cubbies
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I didn't say they need to be graduated. I responded to his assumption that retaining students helps them learn. Why so hostile?
That wasn’t hostile.
The end result of “not retaining” is graduating illiterate kids. That’s a 1+1=2 kind of truism.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:27 pm to Ihatethiscity
Yeah, I think I should qualify, tablet screen. Seems to be a much bigger problems for boys than girls though. Girls can be absolute wizards on their phones, but the are not nearly as hardheaded between the choices. They will easily work with both without the resistance.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:31 pm to Adam Loves Mayo
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What the hell is going on with these teachers and parents in our schools?
No Child Left Behind means no kids can be held back for failing to meet standards minus a virtual act of Congress.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:38 pm to riccoar
It's really got nothing to do with core curriculum. My daughter was brought up in a core system and flourished making mostly As and an occasional B and scored a 29 on the ACt without a prep. My youngest son would not buckle down even if you threatened him in elementary and junior high.
It was when the High School suggested Tops Tech after his first year that he got a clear message. You could say he FA and almost FO'd. Now he reads really long and involved stuff like Plato's Republic for a philosophy class in college whereas before he was 14 or so, he would avoid, tell you it was stupid and no one reads books anymore.
It was when the High School suggested Tops Tech after his first year that he got a clear message. You could say he FA and almost FO'd. Now he reads really long and involved stuff like Plato's Republic for a philosophy class in college whereas before he was 14 or so, he would avoid, tell you it was stupid and no one reads books anymore.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:43 pm to Adam Loves Mayo
Pay kids to read. Push free virtual libraries. Tax credits for buying books and ereaders.
If you want more of something, subsidize it.
If you want more of something, subsidize it.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:46 pm to Adam Loves Mayo
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How do you fix the Reading and Literacy problem plaguing America?
go back in time to when the boat was invented and screw all that up.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:52 pm to Ace Midnight
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Push free virtual libraries.
Epic and Libby exist. Epic has been used in public school in New Orleans for around a decade.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 2:47 pm to Adam Loves Mayo
Phonics
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