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re: Higher order non-human intelligence directing these UAPs
Posted on 5/15/26 at 9:51 am to AlterEd
Posted on 5/15/26 at 9:51 am to AlterEd
quote:I've only brought up physics. Our current understanding of physics make it impossible. It's Polchinski's paradox.
The point is that saying it is flat out not possible is not correct.
Joseph Polchinski’s paradox is a thought experiment about time travel and causality that uses a billiard ball and a hypothetical wormhole. The idea is that a wormhole connects two points in spacetime, but one end is shifted slightly into the past relative to the other. In the example, a billiard ball rolls into one mouth of the wormhole and emerges from the other mouth a few seconds earlier in time. After emerging in the past, the older version of the ball collides with its younger self before the younger version reaches the wormhole. If the collision is strong enough, it could knock the younger ball off course and prevent it from entering the wormhole in the first place.
This creates the paradox. If the younger billiard ball never enters the wormhole, then the older version could never emerge from the wormhole to cause the collision. But if the collision never happens, then the younger ball would continue into the wormhole after all, causing the older version to emerge and create the collision again. The sequence of events becomes logically contradictory because the event both happens and prevents itself from happening.
Physicists studying the paradox discovered that the equations of physics can still produce “self-consistent” solutions. Instead of the older billiard ball completely preventing the younger one from entering the wormhole, the collision might merely alter its path slightly in a way that still results in the younger ball entering the wormhole later. In this version, the collision becomes part of the chain of events that guarantees its own occurrence. The older ball causes the younger ball to follow exactly the trajectory needed for the time loop to remain consistent.
This led to the development of the Novikov self-consistency principle, which proposes that if backward time travel is possible, only events that are logically self-consistent can occur. According to this idea, paradoxical outcomes are forbidden by the laws of physics themselves. The thought experiment became important because it showed that time travel does not necessarily create unavoidable logical contradictions, although it does imply very strange constraints on causality and free action.
The paradox also influenced later discussions about whether wormholes and time machines could exist at all. Physicists such as Stephen Hawking argued that quantum effects might destabilize a wormhole before paradoxes could arise, an idea Hawking called the “Chronology Protection Conjecture.”
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Posted on 5/15/26 at 9:52 am to theballguy
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quote:the likelihood of another life form reaching Earth is next to zero if not zero. The closest solar system to Earth is four light years away and that is assuming a life form exists there which is a huge assumption because we know quite a bit about it already. One light year is nearly 6 trillion miles. This is a good point. But what if in their evolution they are even just a million years ahead of us (which a million years is not even a blip on cosmic time), they may have craft that can handle jumps like this with ease.
As is frequently said, anything is possible but many respected theoretical physicists say the fundamental laws of physics would have to be overcome to accomplish interstellar travel using simple speed and distance. Light speed is considered a near impossibility by many theoretical physicists and light speed in multiples ( Star Trek Warp Speed) is obviously unimaginable....without dilithium cyrstals.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 9:54 am to imjustafatkid
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Yes, we have been aware of this since the dawn of time.
True but haven't always said it out of fear of being labeled a nut.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 9:56 am to StrongOffer
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I've only brought up physics. Our current understanding of physics make it impossible.
Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. In reality this has been demonstrated in labs through the Casimir Effect. The effects produced, admittedly are very small and very fleeting, but the point is that it is indeed possible to create negative energy density which is necessary for creating wormholes.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 9:58 am to AlterEd
quote:I keep repeating it because you haven't addressed any of my points and keep changing to that it's theoretically possible. I'm granting that's true. It creates a paradox tho. And our current understanding of physics doesn't allow for paradoxes in nature. Unless paradoxes can occur in nature, you can't travel back and forth through a wormhole.
Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:04 am to StrongOffer
What you're talking about is conjecture, not proven law. Also, the Novikov self-consistency principle doesn't disallow things like time travel. It only tries to put limitations on what can happen if one were to travel into the past.
Further, I'm not convinced that we are even dealing with time travel necessarily. This could be a multiple worlds scenario and we are dealing with beings that exist alongside us in a completely separate reality.
Further, I'm not convinced that we are even dealing with time travel necessarily. This could be a multiple worlds scenario and we are dealing with beings that exist alongside us in a completely separate reality.
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Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:09 am to AlterEd
quote:We've never interacted with a wormhole, so neither of us can stand on "proven law" (which is not a thing in science anyway). We are talking about if physics would allow for travel back and forth through a wormhole. I'm not gonna keep making the same point. Physics doesn't allow for paradoxes in nature. Wormholes would create a paradox. That point isn't really debated by anybody.
What you're talking about is conjecture, not proven law.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:13 am to Rip Torner
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I know it makes for good movies and conversations but the likelihood of another life form reaching Earth is next to zero if not zero.
The assumptions you make are based on the limitations of human understanding and human technology. For a civilization that could be millions of years more advanced than us, you can't assume any limitations.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:13 am to StrongOffer
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Physics doesn't allow for paradoxes in nature.
Again, this is conjecture. And again, see the Casimir Effect.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:20 am to AlterEd
What movie is it? Is he looking at himself in the past?
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:23 am to AlterEd
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This is the same guy that was saying there exists a separate reality alongside our own and they occupy that space but we cannot perceive them. Interdimensional. Anna Paulina Luna has said the same thing. And so have others.
Well, that sounds settled.
Especially since the guy admits to not directly knowing that the things he says are true at all, but concludes that they "have to be true" given what he observes from the movement of the objects.
Definitive proof. There you have it. And I thought these files were going to be a nothingburger.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:23 am to AlterEd
quote:Has nothing to do with the argument we're having. You're not addressing my paradox question.
Again, this is conjecture. And again, see the Casimir Effect.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:24 am to Nurbis
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For a civilization that could be millions of years more advanced than us, you can't assume any limitations.
Sure you can.
Saying that you can't is just a science of the gaps argument.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:25 am to imjustafatkid
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Yes, we have been aware of this since the dawn of time.
We may come to find out that the Hindus and the Buddhists have been correctly describing what is going on here for thousands of years. Namely that these UFOnauts are beings from what we call the "astral plane". The astral plane is essentially a series of 7 different layers of reality overlayed on top of, and often penetrating into, our own reality.
Typically we cannot perceive these additional layers, but through meditation we can. It could be that beings in these additional layers of reality have the technological means to phase shift through the different densities and appear into our physical plane.
A lot of UFO researchers such as Jacques Valée prefer this explanation as it explains the many cases of what is called "high strangeness", where the experiences seem to alter the consciousness states of the observers.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:26 am to Night Vision
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Project Blue Beam.
Ah, now this is fun.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:26 am to Naked Bootleg
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What movie is it? Is he looking at himself in the past?
Interstellar. If you haven't seen it it is a must watch, imo. And yeah, kinda. He's looking at his daughter in the past and through the lens of a separate dimension. This happened when he took his spacecraft across the event horizon of a black hole.
Terrific frickin movie. One of the best I've ever seen.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:31 am to wackatimesthree
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Definitive proof.
Did I claim it was anything of the sort? All I did was point out what the rear admiral has said about this stuff. You know, for the sake of discussion. You act like I'm arguing the guy is correct. I am not. I do not have the answers and neither do you or anyone else.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:36 am to scrooster
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There are many plausible scenarios or explanations.
Using our understanding and abilities No there aren't.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:38 am to scrooster
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So he's completely dismissing the possibility that they are us ... from the future.
He's immediately disqualified from being taken seriously. It's out of his realm.
There are many plausible scenarios or explanations.
Including that we're living in a simulation for instance.
First: Science is far less certain about most everything than the average person knows.
For instance the age of the universe. Assuming it even has a beginning which 10-20 years ago was pretty much believed to be 13.8 billion years.
Gravity. We still don't know anything about it. Is it a particle(gravitron)?
Dark matter coming under serious question now. Which would mean that our math dealing with gravity is not correct.
So that is just to point out that we don't know half as much as the average people think we know.
Now my opinion on aliens.
I do not believe in aliens. And here is why. Our entire existence here on earth (humans) is an extremely small blip in the timeline of the universe.
The gov't had plans for fooling the world to believe that aliens exist. I take them at their word (documents).
Alien LIFE to develop far advanced from us is possible. So lets say it did. When? If it developed far beyond us did it just by coincidence happen just right before us? The chances of that happening 1 million years before us is small. One chance in 13800. Not very likely. Granted that figure should be cut in half probably because life takes a long to to develop so the first 1/3 of the life of the 13.8 billion is probably very very low chance of developing then since stable systems we few and often nonexistent during that time.
So to believe that aliens evolved and arrived here NOW as opposed to during the dinosaurs is a huge coincidence that can't just be brushed off imo.
But you may counter that well maybe they did evolve many millions of years before us?
This to would be almost certainly when they would have. If we have aliens visiting us they almost certainly evolved many millions of years before us.
And here is why that scenario is imo not likely. So if they evolved millions of years before us AND can and do travel to Earth then they would have had time to populate most of the galaxy if not the universe by now. Yet we do not detect them. To miss detecting one planet with intelligent life is to be expected. But to miss it spread throughout the universe is imho so low statistically that it isn't something to take seriously.
But I do entertain one other option. And that is this. When did God create angels? Is it possible he created them on planet xxxxx? Did they come to earth and mess with life here and manipulate or DNA to make us who we are today. Did they take us and basically create Adam and Eve?
I would argue that is God created them and is all knowing and they modified us then that still means God created us... just like if evolution is true then God created us thru evolution.
This would jive with the story of Adam and Eve. The angels modified our species. Giving us knowledge and abilities we previously didn't have.
When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit the Bible says that is when death entered the world. I do not believe that mean death as in shooting a deer. It means death as in going to heaven or hell.
Now that we have "knowledge" of good and evil we have a choice to make. To sin or not to sin. Prior to Adam and Eve we had not knowledge of sin, so sin was impossible.
And this is supported I would argue by the Bible. Adam and Eve had children. Cain killed Able. Cain was banished from the garden of Eden. When this happened he said he was afraid that he would be killed by other people. What other people? Adam and Eve were the first, right? They were the only people on Earth at the time they were created right?
So who was going to kill Cain?
I argue that it was the humans that had already existed! Adam and Eve were the first to have a corruptible soul.
The End.
Before you attack me to harshly. Know that I do not pretend to know the truth here. And if you are honest neither do you. It is all just speculation at this point.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:39 am to AlterEd
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We may come to find out that the Hindus and the Buddhists have been correctly describing what is going on here for thousands of years.
We definitely will not.
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