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re: Higher order non-human intelligence directing these UAPs

Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:58 pm to
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:58 pm to
Yes, really.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6925 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 2:15 pm to
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They are simply shortcuts through space, not time.
So we're already eliminating your very last post that said time travel lol.


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At the end of the day, you said that moving vast distances through the universe is not possible. That is the post I took contention with. You later said you granted it as true. So I'm honestly not sure why you're still arguing this. You were incorrect and no matter how many times you try to say it you are still incorrect.
I'll try to clarify for the 4th time. Traveling back and forth through a wormhole is possible in the abstract. In practice, it creates a paradox because a wormhole in general relativity is not just a tunnel through space; it's a shortcut through spacetime, meaning space and time together. Physics doesn't allow for paradoxes to exist.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 5/15/26 at 2:26 pm to
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This is a good point. But what if in their evolution they are even just a million years ahead of us
What if they were a million years ahead of us but also died out a billion years ago? It's not just whether they could get here, it's also if they exist contemporaneously with us. That's another 1 in 10000 chance they exist at the same time. And that is spread out over the vastness of the universe.
Posted by AlterEd
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Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 5/15/26 at 2:41 pm to
It doesn't matter how many times you try to say it, it is still wrong. Spatial wormholes do not create paradoxes. As already explained, spatial wormholes (Morris-Thorne wormhole) avoids any paradoxes because in our 4d reality every object follows its own worldline (relativity). Creating a bridge between two distant points in the universe doesn't effect the object's worldline that passes through them. The craft doesn't exceed the speed of light and doesn't move backwards in time. No paradox. Causality is preserved.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6925 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 2:53 pm to
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It doesn't matter how many times you try to say it, it is still wrong. Spatial wormholes do not create paradoxes. As already explained, spatial wormholes (Morris-Thorne wormhole) avoids any paradoxes because in our 4d reality every object follows its own worldline (relativity). Creating a bridge between two distant points in the universe doesn't effect the object's worldline that passes through them. The craft doesn't exceed the speed of light and doesn't move backwards in time. No paradox. Causality is preserved.
Well Einstein, Stephen Hawking, and most modern experts on the topic don't agree with you.

"Einstein recognized that relativity allowed bridge-like spacetime structures mathematically, but he did not consider them practical mechanisms for space travel."

Stephen Hawking’s “Chronology Protection Conjecture,” which argues that quantum effects would destabilize spacetime before a usable time machine could form. Calculations suggest that vacuum fluctuations near a time-travel wormhole could grow without bound and destroy the wormhole throat.

Traversable wormholes create causality problems. Once a wormhole exists, moving one mouth relative to the other using relativistic motion would turn the wormhole into a time machine. This creates the possibility of closed timelike curves, where an event could influence its own past. Such configurations lead to paradoxes like the grandfather paradox or Joseph Polchinski’s billiard-ball paradox. Many physicists consider this a sign that the solution is mathematically interesting but physically unrealizable.
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
7137 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 2:53 pm to
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Only if everything we know about physics is incorrect.


Ask Eric Weinstein about that...

They stopped doing real physics when they started only funding string theory. It was a dead end.

What we know about physics publicly is diddly squat. We can't even tell you what Dark Matter / Energy is and that's 95% of the whole universe. We've based our physics off of just 5% of the universe that we can interact with but we sure do act confident we're the smartest thing in the universe.

We're infants. We can't even tell you what consciousness is and that's basically the most important thing about us.
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
9732 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 2:56 pm to
The fact that they keep dangling this shiny object makes you wonder what they’re actually doing while we’re distracted
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6925 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 2:58 pm to
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We can't even tell you what consciousness is and that's basically the most important thing about us.
We know what consciousness is. People who want God to not be real don't want to accept the evidence that we are more than something that can be boiled down to physical science.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
11817 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 3:26 pm to
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We know what consciousness is.


Wrong again. This is becoming a theme with you.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6925 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 3:28 pm to
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Wrong again.
Nice rebuttal. You’re a genius.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
11817 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 3:30 pm to
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Nice rebuttal.


No need to rebut it. You said we know what it is and didn't say anything beyond that. If you want the discussion to progress you need to back up your claim. Tell us what it is. "Genius".
Posted by theballguy
HSV (Dealing only in satire)
Member since Oct 2011
37125 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 3:33 pm to
Man, I think people will argue over damn near anything.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
11817 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 3:35 pm to
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Man, I think people will argue over damn near anything.


Let's just put it this way. If this anonymous person on the internet can explain what consciousness is fully there is a nobel prize in it for him.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6925 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 3:36 pm to
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No need to rebut it. You said we know what it is and didn't say anything beyond that. If you want the discussion to progress you need to back up your claim. Tell us what it is. "Genius".
You couldn’t even grasp the concept of spacetime travel. I’m not getting into another drawn-out debate on a topic you can’t grasp. The lawnmower I’m about to start up can understand logic better than you. Have a good day.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
11817 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 3:38 pm to
In other words, you can't back your claim.

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You couldn’t even grasp the concept of spacetime travel.


Wrong here too.
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1774 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 3:47 pm to
You consistently show you don’t even have a basic understanding of physics.

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Nothing above the size of a cell and even that is highly debatable can travel at the speed of light.


Nothing with any mass at all can travel at the speed of light. Period. Not even a cell. But let’s pretend it can.

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Even IF a singular life form could travel at the speed of light momentarily, it couldn’t withstand it for four straight years. That is organically impossible and could not withstand that amount of force.


You confuse speed and acceleration. Traveling at the speed of light…or near the speed of light at a constant speed imparts zero force. The acceleration to get to the speed of light is a different story.

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Not to mention a food source for four years and just to pop in and say hi lol.


If they’re traveling at the speed of light they can get anywhere in the universe instantaneously. Literally 0 seconds. Obviously this is nonsensical, but at a crawling 0.99 c it only takes about 7 months to travel 4 light years. I realize most Louisianans would need 4 years worth of rations to survive the trip, but that’s beside the point.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6925 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 3:50 pm to
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In other words, you can't back your claim.
Nope, just lost the patience holding your hand through nuanced discussions.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19484 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 4:39 pm to
So, no release or anything new this week?
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
11817 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 4:59 pm to
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So, no release or anything new this week?


Don't think so. Initially they said it would be weekly and now they're saying every couple weeks. Looks like we are getting 40 new videos next week. Anna Paulina Luna said she finished viewing them all a couple hours ago.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
11817 posts
Posted on 5/15/26 at 5:27 pm to
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Traversable wormholes create causality problems. Once a wormhole exists, moving one mouth relative to the other using relativistic motion would turn the wormhole into a time machine.


PDF to Morris Thorne, Wormholes in Spacetime and Their Use For Interstellar Space Travel: a tool for teaching general relativity

This paper was published in the American Journal of Physics, vol. 56, issue #5. It introduced the Morris-Thorne wormhole metric, it describes spherically symmetric, traversable wormholes that connect two distant regions of space at the same time and the paper discusses how to keep the wormhole open using exotic matter.

It also discusses how one could turn the wormhole into a time machine. It gives both scenarios.
This post was edited on 5/15/26 at 5:37 pm
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