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re: Higher order non-human intelligence directing these UAPs
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:39 am to StrongOffer
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:39 am to StrongOffer
That is interesting, but thinking about it gives me a headache. It's kind of like thinking "Can God make a rock big enough that he can't move it?"
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Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:52 am to BFIV
quote:This is a perfect analogy. God can make a rock big enough that he can't move it. He wouldn't tho because it would be against His nature. Same way we can theoretically move back and forth through a wormhole, but it wouldn't be allowed because it is against the laws of nature.
That is interesting, but thinking about it gives me a headache. It's kind of like thinking "Can God make a rock big enough that he can't move it?"
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:57 am to TigerAxeOK
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There's a book, called the Holy Bible, that confirms all of this.
Our own perception is greatly limited. We do not use our whole brains, and there is a percentage of the atavistic brain that contains senses we no longer perceive, that lies dormant or only minimally active.
So what actually is 'God'? If he designed the universe, Earth, man, etc. why would we discount the possibility that these UAPs aren't part of his design and have been here all along?
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:01 am to wackatimesthree
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Sure you can.
Saying that you can't is just a science of the gaps argument.
You either have to assume all of our limitations would also be theirs, or none would be. There is no in between.
What limitations would still apply, and what wouldn't? And what would be the scientific basis for assuming they overcome one limit but not the other when the scientific knowledge of how to overcome any of those limits doesn't exist to us?
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:20 am to imjustafatkid
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We definitely will not.
Extremely presumptuous considering the Hindus have done a far, FAR better job describing them from ancient times than anyone else ever has.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:27 am to StrongOffer
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God can make a rock big enough that he can't move it. He wouldn't tho because it would be against His nature. Same way we can theoretically move back and forth through a wormhole, but it wouldn't be allowed because it is against the laws of nature.
You just defeated your own argument by indicating that God can indeed create a rock so big he cannot move it. In reality, there is nothing - no thing - God cannot do. This defeats the idea that paradoxes cannot occur in nature.
You also seem to have trouble understanding the difference between conjecture and natural law. We know that it is possible to create wormholes. This is NOT conjecture.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:34 am to StrongOffer
Stand down nerd!
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:38 am to AlterEd
quote:Quite the opposite and it's become clear this is all over your head. God can indeed create a rock so big he cannot move it. I literally said that in my post. But for Him to do that, He would cease to be God (a being that can move anything).
You just defeated your own argument by indicating that God can indeed create a rock so big he cannot move it. In reality, there is nothing - no thing - God cannot do. This defeats the idea that paradoxes cannot occur in nature.
Edit: God exists outside of time and space, he isn't bound by the laws of nature, he created the laws.
This post was edited on 5/15/26 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:40 am to AlterEd
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Not true at all. What we "know" of physics is that spacetime can be bent. We just don't have the means (that we plebs know of) to do it yet.
People should really abandon this ridiculous debunking point.
I agree with you. People making this claim are only looking at the problem through a very limited lens.
Besides the point you made, their only consideration is how we as humans in the 4th dimension would travel. Higher dimensions are completely different. The concept of time in those dimensions is completely different. Time isn't exactly linear as it is from our POV.
Beings from higher dimensions can appear and disappear from our perspective. They can move in higher dimensions while appearing constant to us.
They also do not consider that the beings could possibly project their consciousness into our reality.
The funny part is that many will believe this kind of movement is possible because they believe in the angels from the Bible who can appear and disappear at will. They can disguise their appearance by making us unable to see their true form, like the Greek gods.
They believe these actions are possible, but only with heavenly intervention. They won't believe that it is simply a function of reality that we don't fully understand.
If you believe in multiple dimensions, as proven by science, then it makes sense that God occupies the highest dimension. His angels would be in dimensions just below that. Therefore it's physically possible, but they only want to believe it is the power of God allowing it.
Which is true because God created all the dimensions. But the Bible doesn't go into detail about the science of multiple dimensions, so they think it's solely the power of God allowing such travel and not the inherent "power" of the universe that God created.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:55 am to StrongOffer
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God can indeed create a rock so big he cannot move it. I literally said that in my post. But for Him to do that, He would cease to be God (a being that can move anything).
This is completely nonsensical.
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it's become clear this is all over your head
You don't get to sidestep your own conjecture (that paradoxes cannot exist) by using illogic. What I mean by you defeated your own argument is that not only have you not demonstrated that paradoxes cannot exist, but you have demonstrated why they actually must exist.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:59 am to AlterEd
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I'm just saying that if the UFOnauts are future humans from 1,000 years down the line, they're likely so advanced comparatively that they wouldn't even be perceived as humans. And since they haven't introduced themselves to us yet, I can't really fault someone for saying they're non-human.
Oh I got ya now ... agreed.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:59 am to Rip Torner
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Even IF a singular life form could travel at the speed of light momentarily, it couldn’t withstand it for four straight years. That is organically impossible and could not withstand that amount of force
For things from earth. You are trapped in the box of thinking everything else is like it is on earth in relation to physics and everything. Remember, they are called scientific theories.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:00 pm to AlterEd
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AlterEd
Thanks
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:02 pm to AlterEd
I didn’t sidestep anything. Even added an edit to give more context. Why would God be bound by natural law? Physics doesn’t allow for paradoxes. God isn’t bound by physics. Sorry logic is lost on you.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:07 pm to StrongOffer
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Physics doesn’t allow for paradoxes.
This is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. We are talking about wormhole travel and/or time travel. Both are possible without creating paradoxes.
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God isn’t bound by physics.
So in order for your own argument to hold up, you are arguing for magic.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:09 pm to Rip Torner
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know it makes for good movies and conversations but the likelihood of another life form reaching Earth is next to zero if not zero.
For an alien spacecraft to make it here does not necessarily mean it has to have an alien life form on board.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:13 pm to AlterEd
quote:They aren’t possible without creating a paradox. That’s why you’ve continued to avoid the point I’ve made for awhile at this point.
This is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. We are talking about wormhole travel and/or time travel. Both are possible without creating paradoxes.
quote:Uh, what? I was assuming you were a Christian from previous posts in this thread. The idea of God as the creator of the universe logically means He exits outside of the universe. Therefore He clearly isn’t bound by the natural laws of the universe. That isn’t magic, it’s logic. You should try it sometime.
So in order for your own argument to hold up, you are arguing for magic.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:15 pm to omegaman66
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Before you attack me to harshly
What would I do that?
You presume too much ... to know how I might respond.
I'm a simple guy. My hobby is the study of physics ... big and small. It's literally included in my bio.
Currently my biggest questions, the two in which I disagree with science most profoundly, are:
String Theory ... it's made-up BS.
Secondly, I disagree with science as to how our solar system was formed. Their current explanation flies in the face of simple mathematics much less does it explain the position of the asteroid belt, orbital discrepancies, planetary tilt, and planet composition.
And the questions go on and on.
The simulation is just f-ing around with us.
The truth usually lies somewhere in between ... especially when considering my two biggest questions above. Pardon the puns.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:26 pm to StrongOffer
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They aren’t possible without creating a paradox.
Nonsense. Purely spatial wormholes do not create paradoxes. They are simply shortcuts through space, not time. You enter through one mouth, exit through another at some distant point in space. You still move forward in time (or at least, not backwards.) No closed timeline curves are created. No paradoxes are even possible. It is simply taking a very fast tunnel. Relativity is preserved because you do not exceed the speed of light locally and causality is preserved. It's the baseline Morris-Thorne traversable wormhole. In principle, an advanced civilization could use these tunnels for rapid transit across the galaxy without any time travel issues and without creating any paradoxes.
Even in the event of them being used for time travel (which could potentially create paradoxes) it is still possible if, by some unknown mechanism, the universe enforces consistency. And if you're arguing that God exists and is the primary mover and creator of the laws of physics, if you're being intellectually honest, you have to consider that the universe is equiped with a mechanism to enforce said consistency (Novikov - the idea that any attempt to kill your grandfather would fail for some unknown reason).
At the end of the day, you said that moving vast distances through the universe is not possible. That is the post I took contention with. You later said you granted it as true. So I'm honestly not sure why you're still arguing this. You were incorrect and no matter how many times you try to say it you are still incorrect.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:57 pm to AlterEd
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Extremely presumptuous
No, not really.
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