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re: Hey SFP. We aren't giving up on the life issue, so stop harping on it
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yes by enabling the far left, which is what they're doing, ultimately, there will be an increase of millions of abortions.
So the answer to not enabling the left by fighting for pro-life values is to enable the left by rolling over and giving them what they want anyway?
What's the end goal? Run on pro-choice policies and then when elected, crawfish and blow any goodwill you had with pro-choice voters anyway?
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:40 pm to Powerman
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But perhaps with better social safety net programs fewer people would have abortions
Most abortions are "convenience" abortions for people who don't think they're financially equipped to take care of a child
what social safety net do we not have for people that have abortions? if you're talking about providing to make sure a baby is fed and cared for after birth, it's far from perfect, but it's there. welfare queens exist in every state and across all races. outside of a pure POS mother, no baby wouldn't have basic needs met in today's welfare society.
i'm not for welfare, but as a prolife christian i'm not all about slashing it either.
i'd much rather my money go into adoption services and care for the mother before, during, and after birth.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:41 pm to 3nOut
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i'm not for welfare, but as a prolife christian i'm not all about slashing it either.
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i'd much rather my money go into adoption services and care for the mother before, during, and after birth.
Another thing that's absurd is how expensive it is to adopt
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:41 pm to JiminyCricket
Ban it in your state if you have the votes.
People in Wisconsin are different than those in Alabama, so leave it a state issue. A hard core pro life candidate will never win a national race.
People in Wisconsin are different than those in Alabama, so leave it a state issue. A hard core pro life candidate will never win a national race.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Then you will continue to lose.
Quite literally Republican politician that made the biggest case for federalizing abortion was GOPe Lindsay Graham...and you have concluded that its the GOPe that is the solution...and those that want to unseat the GOPe as the problem.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:47 pm to Powerman
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Another thing that's absurd is how expensive it is to adopt
when we were much poorer and younger we looked into it and the cheapest that it was going to run us was $40k. that looked insurmountable to a 27 YO that entered the workforce during the recession. That time has passed unless the Lord puts a wild hare in our hearts. We've worked for and donated to foster and pregnancy centers in that stead.
From my understanding some states (Florida in particular) make it way cheaper/free and almost financially beneficial to adopt. Not a terrible national policy.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:48 pm to BuckyCheese
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People in Wisconsin are different than those in Alabama, so leave it a state issue. A hard core pro life candidate will never win a national race.
Here’s the problem with that… what state legislatures in places like Louisiana did undoubtedly turned out people in other states who were the difference. When rights are under attack in one place, everyone tends to fight back
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:48 pm to Paddyshack
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SlowFlow has suddenly thrown his name in the hat for the worst poster on this board. Absolute shill.
He likes to intentionally start shite so he can argue against people.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:00 pm to JiminyCricket
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So the answer to not enabling the left by fighting for pro-life values is to enable the left by rolling over and giving them what they want anyway?
No. This is a straw man.
Having non-zealot Republicans will slow the path of abortion adoption a lot more than having perpetual Leftist rule.
Sometimes you have to know when you're beat and figure out what you can salvage in the fight. Social conservatives have lost the abortion issue. They just either refuse to admit this or they choose the path of martyrdom.
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If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected .
Objective analysis should lead you to which scenario applies to you. I'm saying you're in the part I bolded.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:00 pm to PsychTiger
You can run pro-life candidates. What you can't do is focus your campaign on that issue or allow the Democrats to focus their campaign around your position on that issue. Republicans will not win if an election is a referendum on abortion. Christ, it didn't even win in Kansas this year when it was prioritized how do think it is going to play in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia? Abortion is an issue Republicans can only win small or lose big on. The grander the scale of restrictions you campaigning on the worse the result is going to be. The best you are going to do is win tiny results by picking around the edge of the issue. Republicans have to win the culture battle on abortion before they even try to win the legal battle and they are decades away at a minimum from doing that.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:00 pm to Powerman
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Most abortions are "convenience" abortions for people who don't think they're financially equipped to take care of a child
A more accurate version of this statement stops after '...."convenience" abortions"
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:02 pm to chalmetteowl
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When rights are under attack in one place, everyone tends to fight back
Or it at least becomes a potential reference point.
Wisconsin moderate/suburban, GOP woman: "Oh my lord, do you see what Louisiana is doing? We can't even give that a chance here"
Votes DEM
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:08 pm to 88Wildcat
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how do think it is going to play in Michigan, Wisconsin,
I haven't looked at the numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't play a part in the GOP not getting a veto proof majority that could ignore the flake dem governor to pass election reform.
WI has an 1849 abortion law on the books that bans it in essentially every case.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:09 pm to Paddyshack
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SlowFlow has suddenly thrown his name in the hat for the worst poster on this board. Absolute shill.
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yup should i add him to the clan of cucks??here is what we have so far
1) cuckcucktomichgan
2) OMlandcuck
3) sir cuck winston
4) 14 and cucking
5) displaced cuckeye
6) northwestern cuckger
7) stidhamCUCK8
8) slow cuck pro
9) bucky cuck cheese
10) lou CUCK pai
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 6:28 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:10 pm to Powerman
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Another thing that's absurd is how expensive it is to adopt
Here's the thing I don't get about adoption. How come you hear PSAs all the time talking about how many people are waiting for adoptions and yet simultaneously you also have all of these charities (like the one Wendy's sponsors for example) for orphanages and other organizations supporting kids and teenagers who haven't been adopted. If this humongous line of parents waiting to adopt exists why are all of these organizations taking care of orphans still being needed. If you have all of these organizations taking care of unadopted kids still being needed then why is there this supposed line of people waiting to adopt? This is a situation where there should either be a high demand and a low supply or a high supply and a low demand. It doesn't make sense for it to be high supply and high demand.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Having non-zealot Republicans
Mehmet Oz was an anti-abortion zealot?
Brian Kemp isn't strongly pro-life?
Kari Lake is an anti-abortion zealot?
Desantis didn't sign a bill preventing abortions after 15 weeks?
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:14 pm to 88Wildcat
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Here's the thing I don't get about adoption. How come you hear PSAs all the time talking about how many people are waiting for adoptions and yet simultaneously you also have all of these charities (like the one Wendy's sponsors for example) for orphanages and other organizations supporting kids and teenagers who haven't been adopted.
People who can afford to adopt typically are affluent and want to adopt babies in their demo. That means white babies are in demand.
Once kids get too old (behavioral issues from the types of homes they come from) or the wrong demo? They face uphill battles in getting adopted.
Adoption isn't expensive if you do it through your state's CPS service, but it takes some investment and it's not typically the "in demand" demographics for adoptions.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:17 pm to moneyg
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Mehmet Oz was an anti-abortion zealot?
Well he had the stain of Trump on him, but Fetterman won b/c of the DEM turnout, as has been stated 100x.
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Brian Kemp isn't strongly pro-life?
Incumbent with a political machine and no Trump stain.
How is Heschell doing?
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Kari Lake is an anti-abortion zealot?
Uh, she had to walk back her comments on moderate abortion policies
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A spokesman for Kari Lake said Tuesday the Republican candidate for Arizona governor didn’t mean to suggest abortion should be legal, saying she’s not calling for changes to abortion laws weeks after a judge ruled that prosecutors can enforce a near-total ban on terminating pregnancies.
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Lake has spoken positively of Arizona’s total ban on abortion, which she called “a great law that’s already on the books.” She has called abortion “the ultimate sin,” said abortion pills should be illegal
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Desantis didn't sign a bill preventing abortions after 15 weeks?
Red state. Irrelevant to the discussion.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Then you will continue to lose.
The country has spoken
It most certianly has not. The fraud has spoken. Period.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:25 pm to burger bearcat
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We aren't giving up on the life issue
Amen
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