re: Here’s my problem with the idea of the civil war was fought over slavery

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I don't know how many more times I can point this out. The south vehemently opposed the north's state's rights when they wanted to pass slavery laws that they didn't like.

This is a documented fact.

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Well, go ahead and document it then. Because I don't think the slave states gave a damn about the yankee states laws, beyond the refusal of the yankee states to return the southern states valuable property.

Now, if you are talking about the yankee states passing slavery laws that bound the southern states, that's entirely different, and has diddly shite to do with the north's state's rights.

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*The War of Northern Aggression

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Just for clarification, did the North attack themselves at Fort Sumter?

It was fought over many things including slavery.

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Just for clarification, did the North attack themselves at Fort Sumter?

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The union invaded South Carolina first. You are correct that the union initiated the aggression.

what have you done for your country besides run your mouth on the internet.

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An opinion piece by the Washington Post!

Really, that is what you are posting as relevant facts?

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The article lists several verifiable facts. Which of them do you dispute?

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beyond the refusal of the yankee states to return the southern states valuable property.

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Did you just really refer to human beings as "valuable property"

Jesus tap dancing Christ these people still exist.

When the robots take over, they'll be pissed at every one of you that owns a Roomba. Liberate that little robot NOW. Spare your family!

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Did you just really refer to human beings as "valuable property"

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Excuse me if the facts surrounding the issue offends you. That is what slaves were considered by those who bought and paid for them. If you are trying to extrapolate that into meaning that's what I believe, then you can frick right off. I'm sure that's a great tactic in some arenas, but that's about all it is. If the facts are too much for you, maybe you should find a Kardashian thread somewhere.

Just a portion of Lincoln's words after the 4th Lincoln/Douglas debates:

While I was at the hotel to—day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men.

Our history books completely ignore and exclude this portion of our history.