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re: Hegseth will skip a meeting on organizing military aid to Ukraine in a first for the US
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:28 am to High C
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:28 am to High C
Trump cant stop the flow, the tranches of weapons were already passed in previous bills. Heck blinken even had the US as guarantee for a 50 billion loan as he walked out the door.
This money then has to be allocated by weapons, sourced and produced. They will still be getting weapons into 2027.
What he can do is veto this next bill they are putting together, but Graham and crew say they have the 2/3rds to override the veto.
So these fckers sit on their arse and let 20 million people come into the country and then unite to spend 10s of billions more so ukranians get their social security checks and any weapons they need. What a fcking disgrace.
This money then has to be allocated by weapons, sourced and produced. They will still be getting weapons into 2027.
What he can do is veto this next bill they are putting together, but Graham and crew say they have the 2/3rds to override the veto.
So these fckers sit on their arse and let 20 million people come into the country and then unite to spend 10s of billions more so ukranians get their social security checks and any weapons they need. What a fcking disgrace.
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:28 am to geoag58
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Trump is the only politician in my lifetime who is truly fighting for the common man, the one who actually has a job or wants a real job and actually works.
What has Trump done for the common man exactly?
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:29 am to geoag58
I’m growing tired of trying to figure out what’s going on and reading between the lines. “Trust the plan”.
frick it…let’s just nuke everybody. Peace through being the last assholes still breathing.
ETA: I said this in jest, then I thought about it for a second. Maybe this wouldn’t be a bad option…LOL.
frick it…let’s just nuke everybody. Peace through being the last assholes still breathing.
ETA: I said this in jest, then I thought about it for a second. Maybe this wouldn’t be a bad option…LOL.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:30 am to loogaroo
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No. It appears that he is letting Putin know that Putin has left him no choice but to let the MIC eat if he doesn’t get serious about negotiating.
What is he supposed to negotiate. Cargo pants wants Russia to get out of Donbas and Crimea, and pay reparations, while he joins NATO and has a version of NATO placed at the border.
Would you sit with cargo pants???????????????????????
I think you will see Putin's response in a few days.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:38 am to trinidadtiger
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What is he supposed to negotiate.
The current terms Putin is offering include BS non starters like Ukraine has to scale down their defense. Were you not aware of that?
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:43 am to AGGIES
quote:sort of a signal of the 'fog of war' maybe
It’s difficult to explain.
Trump apparently wants to give the world the impression that his govt. has no cohesion at all.
I would be curious to some day understand what he is doing here
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:45 am to trinidadtiger
quote:Not sure anymore, but Trump did say Putin seemed to be going crazy a couple weeks ago and he wasn't being serious about negotiations.
What is he supposed to negotiate.
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I think you will see Putin's response in a few days.
I agree.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:45 am to beaux duke
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so that whole commander in chief thing is just bs?
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:47 am to High C
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Am I missing something? How does it NOT come into yours?
Hegseth isn't going. He isn't participating. How can we be facilitating more aid if we are not involved? If anything, this is a sign that trump is NOT willing to participate in the shenanigans anymore.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:46 am to trinidadtiger
quote:Putin should just continue their Deep Battle Doctrine and take Ukraine in its entirety, on the commitment that the US doesn't meddle. Ukraine was Russian territory before Nikita Khrushchev foolishly separated it. That's why its called Khrushchev's Mistake.
I think you will see Putin's response in a few days.
That would stabilize that area of the globe. It would remove US influence and weaponized labs in Ukraine, pacify Russia w/r/t NATO encroachment, take the EU down a few pegs (they don't have the weaponry anyway without the US), and promote equality between the EU and Russia for trade purposes. The EU doesn't have any gas so they need to be trading partners w/ Russia. It isn't like the EU willl be firing up their nuclear facilities anytime soon (sans France).
A new and improved Monroe Doctrine where the US stays in it's neck of the woods.
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/4/25 at 1:01 pm to AGGIES
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The current terms Putin is offering include BS non starters like Ukraine has to scale down their defense. Were you not aware of that?
Ukraine has already downsized its defense......significantly.....
Posted on 6/4/25 at 2:00 pm to TerraForma
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Putin should just continue their Deep Battle Doctrine and take Ukraine in its entirety
He’s tried. The Russian military sucks and it’s only going to get worse for them as evidenced by the recent attacks on airstrips. Russia is going to run out of gas long before they even take Kiev, much less Ukraine.
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Ukraine was Russian territory before Nikita Khrushchev foolishly separated it
False. Ukraine was never Russian, it was Soviet and so against their will. Crimea was Russian but that doesn’t make it okay to invade the Ukraine.
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That would stabilize that area of the globe
False again. Rewarding invaders emboldens them. This problem will continue to grow until we are called on in some way or another. You end this issue by punching the Russians in the nose, not sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 2:27 pm to TerraForma
Ukraine was never part of Russia eccept for Crimea which was indeed part of Russia similar to Klaipeda and Lithuania.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 2:46 pm to trinidadtiger
A massive strike by Russia called “Zeus Lightening” was scheduled for the evening of June 1st. They wanted to hit Ukraine hard just before the next negotiations were scheduled in Turkey. Their bombers were fueled up and armed with cruise missiles.
Instead, Ukraine struck at 4:44 a.m. with their spectacular “Operation Spider’s Web.” Once again, the Ukrainian military is showing the world that war is changing. They took out 34% of Russia’s bombers with one mighty strike. They also struck the nuclear submarine base at Murmansk, knocking out facilities for planning and maintenance.
Instead, Ukraine struck at 4:44 a.m. with their spectacular “Operation Spider’s Web.” Once again, the Ukrainian military is showing the world that war is changing. They took out 34% of Russia’s bombers with one mighty strike. They also struck the nuclear submarine base at Murmansk, knocking out facilities for planning and maintenance.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 2:51 pm to beaux duke
Man, take a civics class. Know your government.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 3:33 pm to Eurocat
quote:I don't know what cereal box you get your World History from, but Russia and Ukraine have been integrated as far back as the 9th century (Kyivan Rus’). Then the Mongols broke it up in the 13th century. Then the Cossack/Russian integration to thwart the Poles in the 1650's all the way up to the Russian Empire that ended with with the execution of Czar Nicholas II and family in 1917. Then it was all controlled by the Red Army/Commies until 1991.
Ukraine was never part of Russia eccept for Crimea which was indeed part of Russia similar to Klaipeda and Lithuania.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:04 pm to notsince98
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Hegseth isn't going. He isn't participating. How can we be facilitating more aid if we are not involved? If anything, this is a sign that trump is NOT willing to participate in the shenanigans anymore.
Admittedly, I only read the quote from the article, not the entire thing. My assumption was that there would be other US government officials there in his stead. That thought was prompted by recent actions from Graham and Pompeo.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 6:35 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
We should be cutting off aid to Ukraine.
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