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Hearing Testimony: LAGov. Jeff Landry wanted Rep. Garret Graves out in new congress map

Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:53 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:53 am
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A federal trial to determine the future of Louisiana's new congressional map and second Black district revealed political maneuverings in drawing such boundaries Tuesday with testimony highlighting a rift between a Republican congressman and governor that has put U.S. Rep. Garret Graves' political future at risk.

Plaintiffs are arguing in Shreveport federal court that the map should be overturned because they contend its boundaries were gerrymandered solely based on race to create a second Black congressional district among the state's six.

The lawsuit challenging the map attacks the new majority Black 6th Congressional District boundaries stretching from Baton Rouge to Lafayette to Alexandria to Shreveport as unconstitutional.

But the state contends additional factors drove the map, including the politics of protecting powerful incumbent Louisiana Republicans U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson (4th District), Majority Leader Steve Scalise (1st District) and Julia Letlow (5th District), a member of the Appropriations Committee that controls the country's pursestrings.

Doing so put Graves, the current 6th District congressman, in peril by dismantling his boundaries in favor of a majority Black voter population.

And that was exactly the plan of Republican Gov. Jeff Landry, Democratic state Rep. Mandie Landry of New Orleans testified Tuesday as part of the defense of the map.

Landry testified it was common knowledge among lawmakers and reported widely by media that Landry would throw his support behind a map that could end Graves' career in Congress.

"The governor wanted Congressman Graves out," Landry said in her testimony. "Congressman Graves was targeted in the map. The governor and Congressman Graves had a longstanding contentious relationship. It was the one (map) we all understood would go through."

Graves had endorsed a Repubican rival on Landry in last year's governor's race that Landry won on the first ballot.

Graves has told USA Today Network he believes the map is unconstitutional and won't stand up to a court challenge.


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There was also conflicting testimony from demographers on each side about whether it was possible to draw a map with a second Black district that also adhered to traditional redistricting principles like compactness, communities of interest and commonalities.

Demographer Michael Hefner testified for the plaintiffs that it wasn't possible, concluding race "was the predominant reason for (the boundaries)."

But demographer Anthony Fairfax testified for the defense, saying he saw "many different configurations to create two majority Black districts" that also complied with traditional redistricting principles.

Both sides are presenting their case before a three-judge panel that includes Judge Carl Stewart, a Bill Clinton appointee from the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, and Judges Robert Summershays and David Joseph, both Donald Trump appointees from the Western District.


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Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:00 am to
One side says race was the determining factor while the other says it was just dirty politics.

Neither side cares what is best for our state, but it’s imperative we all rise for the anthem.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 8:01 am
Posted by Lige
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:00 am to
Isn’t Gerrymandering legal if it helps a minority district?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:01 am to
So, Landry playing politics and payback to his political opponents. Not a fan of Landry, but kind of admire the Machiavellian nature.


BTW Graves voted against extending FISA in 2018. Johnson voted for it. Higgins voted for it.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:03 am to
Is there a way we can get them all out and replace them with people who care about the state and not lawyers?
Posted by thejuiceisloose
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:05 am to
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LAGov. Jeff Landry wanted Rep. Garret Graves out in new congress map


Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:21 am to
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Isn’t Gerrymandering legal if it helps a minority district?


Not only legal, but REQUIRED.
Posted by Pizza Dan
Member since Apr 2023
288 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:26 am to
Yep. Gerrymandering was invented to turn voting districts majority black. So simple to understand.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:28 am to
This whole thing is so confusing.

I can’t even figure out who the plaintiffs are and what is the goal of this? Are the plaintiffs Black Democrats or are is fhe plaintiff Garrett Graves?

Is the goal to just have a black district? If so, they have one so if the plaintiffs are black democrats - why is this suit still pending?

Or is the plaintiff Graves? If so, is he saying that the court should keep his district in tact and find another way to have a Black congressman so democrats can have at least two members of the Congressional delegation?

This whole issue is so confusing to me.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21206 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:42 am to
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I can’t even figure out who the plaintiffs are and what is the goal of this?


I agree. The article probably could have been written better, though it was written by Hilburn, so not unexpected. The intertwined alliances here due to a desire for political retribution makes it more confusing.

From what I can tell and understand, the State of Louisiana (Governor’s office and those who voted for this plan) are the defense trying to keep the map from being overturned.

The plaintiffs included testimony from Alan Seabaugh, who tends to be on the conservative side of things. You’d think an ally of the Governor’s office. But he testified that he believes the map was drawn on race alone, and they were told that it needed to pass or else the courts would draw it. That was one of Landry’s arguments.

The defense has a weird alliance of I’m sure the Governor’s office that supported it, along with the ACLU and the NAACP Legal Defense Fund.
Posted by thegambler
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
1418 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:03 am to
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Is there a way we can get them all out and replace them with people who care about the state and not lawyers


It's called voting. When 36 percent turns out to vote, that is a sad statement on the state.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8797 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:11 am to
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One side says race was the determining factor while the other says it was just dirty politics


I thought the federal judge is making them do this solely because of race??

She said there must be two black districts. So of course race is going to be the determine factor in creating a new district…
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 9:14 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95198 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:14 am to
And?

Courts said we had to have a second black seat. Johnson and Scalise aren’t going anywhere so it meant fricking one of Higgins, Letlow, and Graves.


And Graves just pissed off EVERY power player involved in the last few months between pissing matches with Landry and ratfricking Scalise and others in favor of McCarthy during the jostling for Speaker.



Do I want a Dem as my Congresscritter over this? No. But Graves dug his own grave here.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26179 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:22 am to
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One side says race was the determining factor while the other says it was just dirty politics.

Neither side cares what is best for our state, but it’s imperative we all rise for the anthem.


Yes, jesus that was depressing to read.

There is absolutely zero good reason that a software program doesn't control districting. The Districts should be as compact and as geographically cohesive as possible, with a preference for following existing parish/administrative/municipal boundaries wherever possible to preserve commonality of interest.

Race should never be a part of the calculus whatsoever. Pure numbers and geography, period.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 9:23 am
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26179 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:24 am to
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This whole issue is so confusing to me.

Its actually incredibly simple.

Plaintiffs are disputing the new gerrymandered district, arguing that it was based solely on race and the map should be redrawn.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26179 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:26 am to
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So of course race is going to be the determine factor in creating a new district…

They could easily have made two "majority black districts" that are make common sense and geographical sense. They could have made them competitive as well.

They did this one just because Landry is a petulant child. Everyone enjoy Cleo Fields in Congress!

ETA: It is also worth noting that Shelly Dick (the Obama-appointed federal judge who made the ruling) is a moron. The notion that the race of a state's congressional delegation must mirror the state's overall racial makeup is really, really stupid and in fact racist.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 9:30 am
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
938 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:27 am to
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Yep. Gerrymandering was invented to turn voting districts majority black. So simple to understand.

Except that the term Gerrymandering started in 1812. The act itself predates to the beginning of the country.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21206 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:50 am to
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There is absolutely zero good reason that a software program doesn't control districting. The Districts should be as compact and as geographically cohesive as possible, with a preference for following existing parish/administrative/municipal boundaries wherever possible to preserve commonality of interest.

Race should never be a part of the calculus whatsoever. Pure numbers and geography, period.


This.

But politicians in various state legislatures and in Congress would have to pass such measures. Good luck with that.

It’s not about compactness and communities for the vast majority of them, whether D or R, whether Greenpeace communist or MAGA conservative. Once in that legislative office, it’s about preserving enough of their current district for ease of re-election. That is Priority #1.
Posted by LegalEazyE
Madison, Wisconsin
Member since Nov 2023
2121 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:36 am to
Duh. With good reason too.
Posted by LegalEazyE
Madison, Wisconsin
Member since Nov 2023
2121 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:37 am to
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So, Landry playing politics and payback to his political opponents.


Yeah, he invented that didn't you know. John Bel Edwards would never have done anything like that either...
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