re: Haley declines to say slavery was cause of Civil War

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Slavery was a large reason for the south leaving the union.

The war itself, however, was not fought over slavery. It was fought to retain the union. Ending slavery was not a war aim until the emancipation proclamation.

To say the north fought to end slavery is laughable considering the north continued to have slaves until the ratification of the 13th post war. In addition, the final slaves would not be freed for nearly a year post 13th ratification, as it took a while to get out WEST to the INDIAN TERRITORIES, where the last slaves were actually freed.

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All of the words and it still comes down to

The south leaves because of slavery -> the union fights to keep them as part of the U.S.

Therefore the root cause of the war is slavery. This isn’t hard folks

The issue of centralized power vs state sovereignty was nothing new in 1861. Just 30 years before the war, the nullification crisis came pretty close to resulting in an aggressive stance by the federal government. That was over tariffs that some powerful southerners believed put their regional economy at a distinct disadvantage to the northern region. These kinds of squabbles were ongoing from the time when the viability of the Articles of Confederation were being debated at the Constitutional Convention. A pressure cooker had been building for 60 years and the issue of slavery became the main point of contention during the 1850s. But it wasn’t noble or benevolent sentiment that made it the focus. It was the northern states industrial/manufacturing class strategy to balance the congressional power that had been dominated by the south for decades. They couldn’t compete with free labor as they paid wages to the European immigrant class. They were at a distinct disadvantage. The south controlled the economy. The only way to break that was to end the source of advantage. There were a lot of pre-cursers that were kindling to the inferno that occured in 61. The 3/5 compromise, The Missouri Compromise, The Kansas-Nebraska Act are all good to read about to get a better understanding of the sentiments of both northern and southern power brokers.

In the end, it had no where else to land but squarely on the issue of slavery. The southern states aristocracy held dearly to the idea of states sovereignty because it was their avenue to hold on to a favorable centralized power structure. The northern states elite class felt they were at a disadvantage economically as a result of slavery and needed the institution destroyed.

Yes, the main point of contention became slavery because it was central in the difference between 2 regional economies. However, the sparks that fueled the eventual inferno began far before the issue of slavery became the main point. It was the influx of large waves of wage demanding immigrants in the 30s, 40s, and 50s to the industrial north population centers that made the issue of slavery tantamount to its economy. Eventually resulting in slavery being the catalyst to conflict.

Again, you may be right. I don't think you are reading my posts.

This has nothing to do with the veracity of Haley's assessment.

It has to do with politics, and framing it in this way in 2023 when you are trying to attract centrist Republicans, Independents and Dems to your side to make some headway.

This question is easy as frick to answer and she failed miserably, as she routinely does when asked a non scripted question.

I know you are likely too emotional about this issue to understand that.

This question was a layup that she clanked off the rim and the ball landed in the 18th row

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The south leaves because of slavery -> the union fights to keep them as part of the U.S.

Therefore the root cause of the war is slavery. This isn’t hard folks

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No. The root cause of the war was preserving the union. Good ole Abe even said if keeping slavery where it was meant retaining the union, he would.

He was only interested in preserving the union.

That.

Is.

All.

Preserving the union is why the war was fought.

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Dirk Dawgler

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Good stuff.

Main reasons for that war:

South was getting raped by unconstitutional taxation
South needed manpower to work cotton fields to maintain industry
North did not want the South to maintain economic momentum


* Hollywood wants you to believe the war was over racism

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By that logic, the North instituted slavery first, therefore they are the cause of the war.

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Okay? As I’ve stated many times before. I don’t care north or south. Both are to blame.

If that’s the line you want to go with then I support it

Its utterly amazing how much this board can confuse the actual issue here.

The issue isn't whether there was any accuracy to her answer

The South exported more cotton over seas than to the North. The South was still making bank.