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re: H1b Visas do not take jobs away from Americans - *DISREGARD I AM WRONG*
Posted on 11/12/25 at 5:37 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
Posted on 11/12/25 at 5:37 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
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I don't think that flies for any sort of federal clearance.
Au contraire. There are plenty of jobs you can do in federal data centers, including in FedRAMP compliant data centers where you don't need clearance as an IT toadie. Most of the infrastructure engineers may have access to systems, but not to data, and it's pretty easy to carve out cases as to why it's ok.
Supposedly.
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Posted on 11/12/25 at 5:41 pm to geauxEdO
Not true. My suburb was mostly middle class white and black people when I bought 30 years ago. Eventually it became more Mexican but still middle class. Then came the East Asians and now the Indians/Pakistanis/Afghanis. The same thing is happening in middle and upper middle class suburbs across Northern California. Pleasanton was a town full of hot divorced women in 2010. Now it is an Indian town.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 6:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Something like 34% of US families earn north of $150K. The idea that our economy has been somehow destroyed by some legal immigrant workers is dumb.
The economy (as measured by gdp while the government is printing money) thrives on cheap imported labor, the citizenry doesn't. So I'm not sure what your point is.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 6:52 pm to geauxEdO
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by law, companies are required to recruit Americans before hiring H1b visas.
A law that is so weak that law firms have been teaching seminars on how to get around it for over 20 years.
“Our goal is clearly NOT to hire American workers”
Posted on 11/12/25 at 7:31 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
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State level maybe, but I don't think that flies for any sort of federal clearance.
Oh but it doeeeeesssssss
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:04 pm to AU86
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It is truly sickening to see some Americans sell out the future of this nation to invaders from shithole countries just to make a few bucks.
Well, we need Americans to train up and take these jobs. Instead they are on Snap programs and such.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:08 pm to geauxEdO
Can vote with your wallets.
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Amazon was the top recipient of H-1B visas for fiscal year 2025, with over 10,000 visas approved. Microsoft, Meta, Apple, Tata and Google also received a substantial number of H-1B visas in 2025.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:15 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
Actually, you're dead wrong. The real kicker is, it's not just hundreds; we're talking thousands working on federal IT contracts.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:20 pm to geauxEdO
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by law, companies are required to recruit Americans before hiring H1b visas
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:21 pm to stout
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Before the $100K minimum came from the Trump admin, why were companies using H1Bs to get freaking secretaries? Are Americans not skilled enough to get coffee and answer phones or is it because it was cheaper for the company?
Minimum wage is set to $60k.
Back in 2017 it was proposed to double that, making it more expensive to hire H1B. It didn’t pass.
Currently there is a $100k fee for new application. It was previously $1,500.
Trump may see it as a way to make money but it does make it more expensive to hire a H1B now.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:43 pm to geauxEdO
I don’t believe this for a second!
I’m a development manager and we just had 50 applications for a DBA position and I don’t recall a single one from a native English speaking American. I’m not embellishing this.
It isn’t just India. It is applications from all over the world. I wanted to ask HR what on earth was going on and where did they advertise this opening!???
The IT industry is being invaded and you have to compete for US jobs world wide.
This is the first time I’ve ever witnessed this in my 30+ year career.
I’m a development manager and we just had 50 applications for a DBA position and I don’t recall a single one from a native English speaking American. I’m not embellishing this.
It isn’t just India. It is applications from all over the world. I wanted to ask HR what on earth was going on and where did they advertise this opening!???
The IT industry is being invaded and you have to compete for US jobs world wide.
This is the first time I’ve ever witnessed this in my 30+ year career.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 10:00 pm to gaetti15
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Oh but it doeeeeesssssss
Yeah, I stand corrected apparently.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 10:06 pm to geauxEdO
BS. Why the F do I have to hear about Indians all the time lately? Idgaf how they get into the country. I don't want to hear about their shtty holiday. You can be an Indian. Just be an assimilated one. If India was so great you would stayed you azzes there.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 3:33 am to geauxEdO
I have worked for an Indian IT consulting company for 13 years. I am an outlier.
The abuse of the system is real. It takes time to get an H1B employee, so the pipeline is always running. When a position on a project opens up, they have someone ready to fill it. They have put money into recruiting, training, and preparing these employees. They arent going to waste the effort by hiring an American.
They get tremendous savings by hiring an Indian. Many of the Indians are very anxious to come here to work. Most employees at my level of experience are 2 pay grades lower than me. They dont have much leverage because the visa is sponsored by my company, and either they take the low pay, or stay at home. So I may make a salary that is market rate for my experience, but my H1B visa coworker makes market rate for a junior consultant - maybe $40-70k less. Needless to say, I am an exception.
The other thing that we dont talk about is how companies abuse their H1B employees. They earn less money and it is very difficult for them to get a job with another company because the visa is sponsored by their employer. If they can get a green card, they can legally look for another job and get real market wages. The problem is that they need help in the application process from their employer, who has no incentive to help them, so they slow walk all the paperwork to prevent them from getting a green card and the leverage that comes with it.
The system bucks and needs to be fixed. We have to set it up so that hiring foreign workers costs MORE, not less. Then the incentive will be to hire Americans first, and young Americans will be encouraged to go into IT.
The abuse of the system is real. It takes time to get an H1B employee, so the pipeline is always running. When a position on a project opens up, they have someone ready to fill it. They have put money into recruiting, training, and preparing these employees. They arent going to waste the effort by hiring an American.
They get tremendous savings by hiring an Indian. Many of the Indians are very anxious to come here to work. Most employees at my level of experience are 2 pay grades lower than me. They dont have much leverage because the visa is sponsored by my company, and either they take the low pay, or stay at home. So I may make a salary that is market rate for my experience, but my H1B visa coworker makes market rate for a junior consultant - maybe $40-70k less. Needless to say, I am an exception.
The other thing that we dont talk about is how companies abuse their H1B employees. They earn less money and it is very difficult for them to get a job with another company because the visa is sponsored by their employer. If they can get a green card, they can legally look for another job and get real market wages. The problem is that they need help in the application process from their employer, who has no incentive to help them, so they slow walk all the paperwork to prevent them from getting a green card and the leverage that comes with it.
The system bucks and needs to be fixed. We have to set it up so that hiring foreign workers costs MORE, not less. Then the incentive will be to hire Americans first, and young Americans will be encouraged to go into IT.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 3:40 am to geauxEdO
quote:Where I work, we are constantly replacing younger programmers because they found different job that likely paid a little bit more. People who got useful technical degrees are not having trouble finding jobs.
I also don’t know of any white software engineers struggling to find a job.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 3:44 am to geauxEdO
They not only take American jobs (mostly entry level), they depress wages as well
Posted on 11/13/25 at 3:57 am to geauxEdO
bullshite
Posted on 11/13/25 at 4:44 am to geauxEdO
bullshite, you can track the layoffs in tech (Silicon Valley, mostly) to these companies' applications for H1B's.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:29 am to geauxEdO
This H1b ignorant fear as a gotcha along with this saying repeated on even this board: is to divide MAGA and discredit whoever Trump endorses in 28.
Remember when Russia was the boogieman? They want MAGA trashed and replaced with America First under the guise of hate Israel.
There is no logical reason to hate Israel. Israel didn't kill CK. Try being a 'white Christian' in Qatar,. Then go be one in Israel-no one cares.
Remember when Russia was the boogieman? They want MAGA trashed and replaced with America First under the guise of hate Israel.
There is no logical reason to hate Israel. Israel didn't kill CK. Try being a 'white Christian' in Qatar,. Then go be one in Israel-no one cares.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:55 am to cajunangelle
Orange made this mess with the visas. I do agree this and the I word have created a rift. I don't think it's all manufactured.
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