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re: Gun Control Discussion
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:49 pm to Redbone
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:49 pm to Redbone
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How many are legally owned?
All guns start their lives as legally owned.
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keep hearing lefties call for "common sense gun laws". I've never heard even one of these "common sense" laws they propose.
You must not read these threads much. Stricter background checks without loopholes on all purchases, longer waiting periods, mandatory registration and licensing and training. Those are just a few, and aren't specific to any type of firearm.
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:50 pm to Redbone
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Only if the voter is a registered voter.
Obviously. But once registered, let's not add racist ID laws at the polls in order to win on that instead of our ideas. Right, champ?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:51 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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so let's not act like you care about facts.
Facts are all I care about. It's useful when they're on my side, as in this discussion.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:51 pm to BamaAtl
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racist ID laws
Only minorities can't obtain IDs. That's racist bitch.This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:52 pm to BamaAtl
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Not always. Guns are the most sure way to commit suicide, and we see a large portion of people with a failed suicide attempt not successfully complete the act later. So having a gun increases your chances of success, and thus death.
The us has a 10.1/100,000 suicide rate.
Japan has a 15.4 rate.
Care to explain how Japan has 50% more suicides each year when gun ownership is next to zero in Japan?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:52 pm to BamaAtl
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Facts are all I care about.
except when you use straw man fallacies to explain my position and cite "gun death" data that nobody asked for
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:52 pm to Taxing Authority
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Then it's a mistake in both cases.
It's not in the case of gun control laws, due to the wide variation between locations. Murder is illegal everywhere.
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"other countries" has nothing to do with this
Sure it does, when they're comparable.
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For example, I know that magazine sales are an incredibly silly proxy for ownership rates.
What about national surveys? Background check rates? etc?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:52 pm to BamaAtl
quote:So you actually think more laws or even stop gun sales completely will have some effect on this?
So having a gun increases your chances of success, and thus death.
Don't be naive. There are millions of guns out here right now. You won't live long enough to see such laws have ANY effect on people killing people with guns.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:53 pm to BamaAtl
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Stricter background checks
What would you add that would make them "stricter"?
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longer waiting periods
What will a waiting period prevent?
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mandatory registration and licensing and training
So what type of training would you want these people to have and how would that prevent mass shootings?
Also, if someone with a clean record plans to die in the process of committing mass murder with a gun, how would any of the above prevent that?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:53 pm to BamaAtl
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let's not add racist ID laws
Like the ones that disenfranchise minorities from purchasing alcohol and tobacco and owning a vehicle.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:53 pm to Redbone
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#1. Gather ALL the pertinent information on a subject. #2. Go through every one of those factors to determine which ones have some effect on the subject. #3. Work your way through ALL of them to determine which is the guilty party.
This has been done, again and again. Again and again, it's lax gun laws that are the guilty party.
Think with your head instead of your heart, and you'll come back to reality.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:54 pm to Taxing Authority
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That's correlation not causality.
Since we're discussing the correlation between gun ownership rates and suicide rates in this particular sub-discussion, that it is.
Good job on identifying it, I guess?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:54 pm to BamaAtl
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Sure it does, when they're comparable.
you said earlier that demographics explained the difference in Austin and Houston gun violence
are you implying that they have no role in comparing countries to each other?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:55 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Just as I figured.
longer waiting periods, mandatory registration and licensing and training.
"Common sense" to the ignorant.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
I want this bitch to make 1000 posts
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:56 pm to BamaAtl
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This has been done, again and again. Again and again, it's lax gun laws that are the guilty party.
Think with your head instead of your heart, and you'll come back to reality.
OK, so your fantasies of gun registration and licensing come true. How does that affect killings carried out using stolen guns?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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seems like TX would be better off ignoring gun factors and focusing on "Austin" factors to improve the violence in Houston
Give everyone in the poorest cities a universal basic income? Sure, that might work to reduce crime. Pretty bold policy idea from a 'libertarian,' though...
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ease of access to firearms is the exact same in both Austin and Houston
And yet that's really the only comparable thing about them. Thanks for wrecking your own argument, saved me time.
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wouldn't you agree that demographics between the US and, say, Western Europe, should also be a major factor in comparing the 2?
Yes, but I don't mean demographics like you mean demographics.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:57 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Wrong champ.
Obviously. But once registered, let's not add racist ID laws at the polls in order to win on that instead of our ideas. Right, champ?
If legally registered one should prove it to vote or go home.
Nothing racist about that.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:57 pm to BamaAtl
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Again and again, it's lax gun laws that are the guilty party.
Exactly which gun laws are lax?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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my point has always been about gun violence
As has mine, which is why it's instructive to point out to you that rural gun violence is also a problem.
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