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re: Gun Control Discussion
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:10 pm to Redbone
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:10 pm to Redbone
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So you actually think more laws or even stop gun sales completely will have some effect on this?
Sure.
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There are millions of guns out here right now. You won't live long enough to see such laws have ANY effect on people killing people with guns.
I'm sure Australia and the UK thought the same thing, before they decided it wasn't acceptable to watch their citizens die because guns are fun, and did something about it.
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:10 pm to BamaAtl
quote:I forgot you want to make it nearly impossible for law abiding citizens to procure a weapon.
We also know that things like stricter background checks, mandatory licensing/registration, training, and waiting periods reduce the number of guns in a population,
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:10 pm to BamaAtl
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More guns = more gun deaths.
you are the only person discussing total gun deaths and including suicides
why are you responding to people talking about gun violence against others with data about suicides? what logical sense does it make?
and you said that i said "gun deaths" were more common in urban areas when i said "gun violence", because i am not discussing suicides in this thread. now either you can't read, or you created a straw man argument. which is it?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:11 pm to BamaAtl
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Since we're discussing the correlation between gun ownership rates and suicide rates in this particular sub-discussion, that it is.
Correlation without causation is worthless, much like your graphs.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:11 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Existing gun laws do the same to crime and suicide!
They stop them from, or at least limit some segment of the population from participating in, harmful acts related to drinking.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you said earlier that demographics explained the difference in Austin and Houston gun violence
In the same way that demographics partly explain the difference in Austin and Wyoming gun violence rates. But the ease of obtaining a gun, and the prevalence of a gun in a given population, also plays a part.
So, correct.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:13 pm to BamaAtl
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In the same way that demographics partly explain the difference in Austin and Wyoming gun violence rates. But the ease of obtaining a gun, and the prevalence of a gun in a given population, also plays a part.
they don't play a part in the Houston v. Austin discussion, though b/c that variable is the exact same
again, you can find similar variables that predict gun violence much more than lax, state gun laws, and they will be the same that explain the difference in Houston and Austin's violent gun crime stats. agree or disagree?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:13 pm to BamaAtl
So why are the suicide rates in France, Japan, nordic countries, South Korea etc so high compared to the US, if access to guns are a leading cause of suicide?
I'm really curious to this explanation that you keep ignoring.
I'm really curious to this explanation that you keep ignoring.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:14 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Yet higher than ours in total. You destroyed your own argument. Thanks. That's all I've been waiting for.
With firearms? Low as hell.
I think I'll go out back and shoot one of my dreaded black guns to celebrate.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:16 pm to BamaAtl
Why do you think it's okay to sell someone with mental illness a mind altering substance that has been proven time and time again to be a driver in domestic violence and suicide?
Why don't you care about the victims of domestic violence?
Why don't you care about depressed people?
Why don't you care about the victims of domestic violence?
Why don't you care about depressed people?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Austin has a UBI? link?
Not yet, but you mentioned that they should focus on the demographics.
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and your primary point in this thread
Not at all. It's really disappointing that you can't follow the argument, when it's been laid out clearly again and again. Perhaps if you stopped trying to take us off on tangents where you get your arse kicked, you'd learn something?
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are you saying the differences in the areas create the differences in gun violence?
I'm saying lots of things create differences in gun violence. One of those things is that more guns = more gun deaths. Since you deliberately chose an area where you claim the levels of access and prevalence of guns are equal, I'm saying that in this instance it's one of the other things - namely, poverty rates / SES which we know contributes to violent crime.
However, when we're looking nationwide that doesn't bear out. We're an incredibly rich country, yet our violent crime rate - and specifically our violent crime with firearms rate - knocks us back to second-world status, if not third-world.
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wouldn't it be amazing that while states may have vastly different laws on guns, these differences in locations are more determinative of predicting gun violence?
Yeah, they're not. If we strengthened Texas's gun laws as a whole, both Austin and San Antonio and Houston would see dips in gun deaths.
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you're talking about culture and SES, right?
I'm not talking about culture, except in the sense that we have a gun fetish in this country.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:17 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Ahhh, the old gun confiscation.
I'm sure Australia and the UK thought the same thing, before they decided it wasn't acceptable to watch their citizens die because guns are fun, and did something about it.
I can't wait for your jackbooted thugs to kick down my door at 1a.m. and take mine.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:17 pm to beerJeep
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No it doesn't.
Yes, it does. Check DUI rates over time - specifically after harsher penalties are enacted. You're welcome.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:19 pm to BamaAtl
How would you proposals deter a criminal from using a weapon?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:20 pm to BamaAtl
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We're an incredibly rich country, yet our violent crime rate - and specifically our violent crime with firearms rate - knocks us back to second-world status, if not third-world.
3% of the population is the problem. If we didn't have 3% of the population committing over 40% of violent crime, we would be in line with first world countries in terms of violent crime.
Now. Care to explain why you think it's okay to sell a woman beater a fifth of whiskey so he can get drunk and beat his wife? Or care to explain why you think it's okay to sell a suicidal person ever clear?
How about that suicide rate in japan/france/south Korea? Wanna explain that yet?
I got alllllll day
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:22 pm to BamaAtl
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Yes, it does. Check DUI rates over time - specifically after harsher penalties are enacted. You're welcome.
Still has zero to do with liver disease. And you realize you're now arguing that a lock keeps an honest man out, right?
Aka "gun laws only stop law obiding citizens"
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:22 pm to BamaAtl
quote:No doubt genius.
More guns = more gun deaths. More guns = more gun murders. More guns = more gun suicides.
No cars would = no DUIs too. We could go on with this forever.
Outlaw ropes = no one would hang themselves.
Get rid of legal and illegal drugs = no one would overdose......
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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see now you're trying to shift the discussion again
Just back to the original discussion, and away from your failed insistence on only focusing on urban areas.
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gun violence is intentional violence committed by one person against another using a gun
Firearm assaults per 100,000 population in 2011, the highest state was Tennessee. Followed by SC, Arkansas, Louisiana.
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and all teh policies you discuss that relate to gun violence do nothing for suicides
That's not true.
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you just can't be honest
That's all I am here.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:23 pm to Jbird
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Nope.
Yep!
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:24 pm to BamaAtl
Why won't you answer my question?
But you replied twice with Yep!
But you replied twice with Yep!
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 2:24 pm
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