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re: Gun Control Discussion
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:58 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:58 pm to upgrayedd
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A gun buyback at gunpoint really isn't a gun buyback
that's a very solid clarification
Bama, what examples of a "gun buyback" program do you have with ONLY the incentives of the monetary exchange presented?
Austrailia doesn't count
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Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:58 pm to upgrayedd
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Do you think we should confiscate semi-auto weapons to prevent future mass shootings?
How would you propose we do that? We don't even know who owns a gun, let alone a semi-automatic gun.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:59 pm to BamaAtl
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How would you propose we do that?
good question and why that ship has sailed decades ago
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We don't even know who owns a gun, let alone a semi-automatic gun.
statists hate freedom when it interferes with government inteference in our lives
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:02 pm to BamaAtl
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It's not a valid question. Ask a valid one, and I'll answer it.
No, it is a valid question. The NRA no longer exists. Now what?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:03 pm to Centinel
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Now what?
voluntary gun buyback program
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:04 pm to BamaAtl
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How would you propose we do that?
I wouldn't. I'm asking you if you think we should to prevent future mass shootings.
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We don't even know who owns a gun, let alone a semi-automatic gun.
Sure we do. Every gun store keeps a record of every sale. It's not a complete list, but it's a pretty good starting point.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we have our own demographics and laws that are unique to our country
And those laws are causing excess gun deaths. Let's fix that.
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we have very specific areas that are very violent in terms of guns
Yes, we call them 'states'.
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how do you propose we force-confiscate those guns?
I don't. Who said anything about forced confiscation, other than you trying to fear monger?
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as an abstract term? maybe
Not maybe, definitely.
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lots of urban voters support stricter gun laws. they should have no say in the policy of rural areas 1500 miles away
Wyoming near the top for states' gun death rates
Why do the lives of rural Americans mean nothing to you?
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you start a buy back program at government rates and someone will start one for $1 more/gun
Because that's exactly what happened in other countries...oh, it isn't?
Huh.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:05 pm to BamaAtl
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Surprisingly very little, for someone who claims to have those degrees.
Would you like to get into it, doctor?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:06 pm to Tigerdev
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Canada's gun law would have likely prevented the acquisition of said firearms in the most recent case.
Which law?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:09 pm to BamaAtl
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And those laws are causing excess gun deaths. Let's fix that.
give me rational gun laws to address the specific issues and we can disucss
you keep talking in generalities and avoiding specific laws to specifically address our specific areas of crime
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Yes, we call them 'states'.
no. mostly neighborhoods and sections of cities
take Baton Rouge. very dangerous in parts of the city (NBR, Gardere) and very safe in others (SEBR).
it's illogical to say "Baton Rouge is violent" when it's only parts of BR
LA is a violent state...in particular areas of insane violence. it's peaceful otherwise. any rational discussion will focus on the specific areas of hyper-violence and not the areas without that violence. that's why even breaking this down into a "state by state" discussion is not logical
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Wyoming near the top for states' gun death rates
"gun death rates" include suicides
i'm talking about violence crime
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Because that's exactly what happened in other countries...oh, it isn't?
which countries?
and obviously the US values our individual freedoms and gun ownership more than other countries. that's a given
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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give me rational gun laws to address the specific issues and we can disucss
What specific issues would you like addressed?
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mostly neighborhoods and sections of cities
And because those locales are not walled off, we must concoct policy at a more macro level.
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"gun death rates" include suicides
i'm talking about violence crime
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which countries?
UK, Australia, etc
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:15 pm to BamaAtl
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What specific issues would you like addressed?
the ones you're complaining about?
i think we have too many gun laws b/c i believe in individual liberty. hell i'll give you a terrible gun law: felons, especially non-violent ones, being banned from their constitutional right to possess guns (and vote, for that matter)
do you realize how utterly racist these laws are for black men? and yet you support them i bet
you keep bringing up this need for gun laws to fix our gun-based violent crimes, not me. what specific policies do you have to suggest?
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And because those locales are not walled off, we must concoct policy at a more macro level.
that sounds utterly wasteful
regulating suburbia in Vermont to fix NBR is literally irrational and illogical
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UK, Australia, etc
link me to the UK buyback program
Australia made possession illegal prior to the buyback. that was not a purely voluntary program
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the ones you're complaining about?
Specifically, I'm complaining about our easy access to guns.
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i think we have too many gun laws b/c i believe in individual liberty.
Like I said, some people are okay with dead Americans because they like guns.
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yet you support them i bet
Not the voting suppression I don't!
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what specific policies do you have to suggest?
I've spoken of them at length in this thread and others.
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that sounds utterly wasteful
Almost none of Chicago's guns used in gun crimes in Chicago come from Chicago. That means that gun laws in Chicago don't do shite to stop people from buying guns in Indiana or Wisconsin or Missouri or Texas or Florida. You really should be able to grasp this point, it's not hard.
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link me to the UK buyback program
LINK
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well he called me a liar... Big difference between that and disagreeing...
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:20 pm to BamaAtl
You haven't spoken "at length" about anything.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:21 pm to BamaAtl
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Not the voting suppression I don't!
oh just the other racist laws
like i said, some people are OK with racism because they hate guns
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LINK
you should have read your link before posting it
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:22 pm to BamaAtl
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Wyoming near the top for states' gun death rates
Lowest population density in The lower 48. They have a higher per capita death rate via all kinds of stupid shite.
I could pick death via (insert random arse off the wall cause of death) and Wyoming would have a higher death rate than the rest of the country.
So good job with your lame duck statistic... But I'd expect such low tier arguments from a Knuckle dragging imbecile like yourself.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:22 pm to BamaAtl
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If it's available to be used quickly for an intruder, it's available to be used by your kids during play or your spouse during a domestic dispute.
Did BamaAlt ever address this retarded statement?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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oh just the other racist laws
Glad to hear that you're in favor of broad criminal justice reform. Welcome aboard!
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:26 pm to beerJeep
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Lowest population density in The lower 48. They have a higher per capita death rate via all kinds of stupid shite.
That's what the word 'rate' means, dipshit. Look it up after you get a job and move out of your parents' basement.
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I could pick death via (insert random arse off the wall cause of death) and Wyoming would have a higher death rate than the rest of the country.
It's 33/50 for diabetes. 35/50 for men and 26/50 for women for heart disease.
1/50 for gun deaths. But sure, it's just the urban areas that have a problem.
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