re: Gun Control Discussion

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2. Enforcement is extraordinarily lax in many places. Historically, weed is harder to come by than a semi-automatic weapon.

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I see you stole Obama's infamous lie a replaced "book" with "weed"

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we should make it so all future big events are less likely to happen.

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We'd all live in peace and harmony if it weren't for that god damn 2nd Amendment!

*shakes fist*

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The mass shootings suck, but they almost never occur because of one specific law we can point to.

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and they're the black swan events that you're referencing

hell, deaths by rifle (ALL of them) are black swan events in the totality of our gun deaths

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Rather, they're often because of the pervasiveness and ease of acquisition/stockpiling of guns IN GENERAL in this country.

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if this argument was rational or sane, which is is borderline, it's irrelevant because that ship sailed 50+ years ago

you have to realize a few thins

1. law abiding citizens who are doing nothing wrong will not accept higher regulations on the exercise of a fundamental right, often taking the shape of a behavior that has lots of utility in their day-to-day lives (hunting, pest control, defense in rural areas, etc). the biggest issue is that you're asking for these people to accept punishment when they've done nothing wrong, due to the actions of others. that's not only irrational in their individual view, it's immoral.

2. with 300M+ guns in circulation, even if you could severely stop the spread of NEW guns into the system, you're never going to be able to deal with the sheer number of guns. the ONLY way you can combat this is with a (1) retroactive ban of lots of types of guns and (2) forced confiscation. unless you admit this, then you're simply lying about your long-term goals (and nobody trusts a liar)

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FIFY

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you believing that the NRA is a boogeyman who is responsible for the individualistic position of defending our freedoms is a "Comet Pizza" level moment for you

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How is it a lie? One is federally legal and one is federally illegal.

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a. that argument makes no sense

b. you need to qualify the ever living shite out of the "legality" statements

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hell, deaths by rifle (ALL of them) are black swan events in the totality of our gun deaths

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Yes and no. We still have a vast excess of gun deaths by semi-automatic weapons compared to other wealthy/peaceful nations.

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that ship sailed 50+ years ago

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We could put this genie back in the bottle, but a portion of our population has decided they don't care about the deaths enough to try.

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law abiding citizens who are doing nothing wrong will not accept higher regulations on the exercise of a fundamental right

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The vast majority of Americans are okay with stricter gun laws. Don't let the bubble of this insane board skew your thinking on Americans' thoughts.

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with 300M+ guns in circulation, even if you could severely stop the spread of NEW guns into the system, you're never going to be able to deal with the sheer number of guns.

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3% of people own 50% of the guns. Assuming that 3% is insane enough to want them buried with them, we can rationally go after the other 19-26% of the population that owns any gun. Within that population we're likely to find much more favorable attitudes toward something like a buyback program.

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How is it a lie? One is federally legal and one is federally illegal.

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Yes, because legality dictates availability every time

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You just saved a shite-ton of American lives. Congratulations!

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Answer the second part of my post.

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Yes and no. We still have a vast excess of gun deaths by semi-automatic weapons compared to other wealthy/peaceful nations.

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that's irrelevant. we have our own demographics and laws that are unique to our country

that's why local demos and rates matter. hell, it even needs to be divided further. that excess rate is VERY limited geographically

again, it's another black swan event, even as a general topic

we have very specific areas that are very violent in terms of guns and the rest is much closer to the nations you're referencing

so the issue is those specific little areas more than anything else. it makes no sense to compare us to any country that lacks those demographic-geographical issues

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We could put this genie back in the bottle,

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how do you propose we force-confiscate those guns?

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The vast majority of Americans are okay with stricter gun laws.

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as an abstract term? maybe

but even specific ones are irrelevant given our demographics. lots of urban voters support stricter gun laws. they should have no say in the policy of rural areas 1500 miles away, so their opinions are worthless

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Assuming that 3% is insane enough to want them buried with them, we can rationally go after the other 19-26% of the population that owns any gun.

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aye, comrade

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Within that population we're likely to find much more favorable attitudes toward something like a buyback program.

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you start a buy back program at government rates and someone will start one for $1 more/gun

that's how the market works

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Do you think we should confiscate semi-auto weapons to prevent future mass shootings?

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the only thing Bama will admit to is a "gun buy back program"