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re: “Globalization is the redistribution of American wealth to foreign countries.”

Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by Houag80
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:29 pm to
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We created a monster because of corporate greed and sold out politicians that is a far greater threat than the Soviets were. China has the economic power that the Soviet Union never did. Sold out the American middle class and de-industralized America. Also made us dependent on a country that would cut our throat.

Bad mistake.


By suppressing wages/limiting job opportunities for a large swath of the populace it also created a large class of people dependent upon the government.

Those who challenge this are overlooking the fundamental principles of supply and demand.

Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:34 pm to
Yes. I agree and have posted many vids and my own opinions here, i hope it made a difference to some but the TDS crowd are lost. There's no hope for them. They are basically Dem/Marxist.
Either your for America or you're not. Nobody else, other than Trump, has offered any and i mean zero, alternative to changing this nations direction.
None of this is complicated. Its simple. Return to the principles and ideas that made America great. Everything else, forget it.
We are such a blessed nation to have our Constitution and a blueprint for greatness.
As is human nature, there are those that desire something different while never understanding to depart from the traditional American values equals disaster.
The congressional representation we elect are not looking put for we the people.
You know who is????? The only elected politician who everyone in the nation gets to vote on. President Trump. Hes simply doing what he promised he would do. If you voted for him, stand by your vote and support him. Dont let the Marxist propaganda confuse you, nor any of the TDS infected idiots around here.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
68785 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:35 pm to
Miller is right. Now get the tax cuts done and watch it boom.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 2:36 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38418 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:37 pm to
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Deciding that we would rather be making t-shirts instead of doing more sophisticated scientific and engineering feats


Sounds like an absolutely unattainable idea that doesn't make sense at the ground level.

Why is it either or?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:41 pm to
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Why is it either or?


Because he can't make his argument without claiming the alternative to a fully tech/service economy is little different than digging ditches.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21338 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:45 pm to
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Deciding that we would rather be making t-shirts instead of doing more sophisticated scientific and engineering feats is a bizarre one from some MAGAs.



Thats such a shortsighted comment. There are many manufacturing jobs that weve lost which pay well and would provide a good income.
Automobiles for one, and if tariffs level out the competition on steel and aluminum, American companies could compete and provide the steel needed forbthe already 1 trillion dollars of investment. The new plants, buildings, construction equipment, building supplies, etc., could be produced and sold from American companies.
Theres soooooooo much more than the t-shirts you mention in your argument.

This is what people arent getting. It isn't one thing, Trumps plan involves tariffs to allow American companies to compete with slave labor cist in ither countries and his tax incentives and deregulation will attract corporations and companies to manufacture/produce their products in America if they want access to Americas market.
Its simple. Too many of your misrepresent the reality
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:01 pm to
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“Globalization is the redistribution of American wealth to foreign countries.”

Preach

Its why globalization became a thing. To exploit American purchasing power

If the US doesnt play along, there is no globalization. Ya know, "A New World Order" and what not
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135586 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:08 pm to
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It's largely a nothingburger for the US.
No.
But for a country like China, it is a major perspective resetter. Slapping on reciprocal tariffs instead of working through other solutions was dumb.

China is caught between a rock and a hard place. They'd like to devalue the Yuan in response, as they did during Trump's first term. But they are still stuck buying much of their fossil fuel and ag products in USD. Yuan devaluation is a higher hurdle for Xi than it has been. Trump knows it.

China is a-hole. Trump is gloving up.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296384 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:09 pm to
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Capitalism has always been global, s


MAGA isnt capitalist. Its Mercantilist.

They hate capitalism and free enterprise.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
19450 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:16 pm to
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Capitalism has always been global, so I assume that we're talking about the change in our trade balance and calling that globalization?
We are talking about the high and extreme tariffs being placed on our products going into other countries. Those countries don’t want free trade, lol. We just want a level playing field.
How are these tariffs against the US capitalism? I’d love to hear this explanation. LOL
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 3:25 pm
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
23227 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:20 pm to
globalism is a synonym for jealousy of America....
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6136 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:40 pm to
It truly is amazing how the Eu fooled the world and in the end themselves. Europe did all the conquering under Kings and Queens from 1400s to the 1800.

USA broke away and then followed England alone in ending slavery.

Meanwhile England continued to rule a third of the world along with the EIC until the early 1900s.

The US saved the world twice from Germany and then Germany and Japan.

Since the late 1960s the Dems have been bleeding America's coffers dry under the secrete direction of the CIA/MIC and endless wars and a need to appease European leftists.

In more recent decades the Globalization Movement headed mostly by the EU leftist and strong armed by China have continued to bleed America while at the same time blaming us for all the problems with the environment, all of slavery, greed, and somehow labeled us as the empire builders that have to be reigned in, while China shoves poor Muslims up teh EU's @ss.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466130 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:18 pm to
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Are you quoting “globalization” because you don’t believe it is definable?

More like your type doesn't define it on purpose.

I understand the general concept, but there is always the malleability of these talking point terms so y'all can change your stance (which is why y'all never define these words).

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While also claiming it’s a huge net benefit for our country?

Well the post-Soviet period is typically the time period referenced, so even without the malleable "globalization", we can still look at the period from the fall of the USSR until today.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466130 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:19 pm to
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Sorry your candidate lost.

I didn't have a candidate in the 2024 Presidential election.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466130 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:22 pm to
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Why is it either or?

There is only so much money circulating in our economy and only so much it can grow. We're talking about how that money is being distributed.

If we pay more for basic goods, that removes money being spent elsewhere.

The shitty part is that we choose to devolve our economy and redistribute money to lesser economic avenues and less efficient Evonomics avenues, our economic growth stops (and likely recedes). Hence why people ask why people are so obsessed with devolving our economy and SOL to bring back inefficient, shitty jobs that aren't productive in our current economy.

A job at McDonalds is more productive than these jobs. Why are we trying to redistribute our spending/wealth to bring these lesser jobs back and pay them more than these productive McDonalds jobs?
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3750 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:38 pm to
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Taxes for our goods is bad but us paying taxes for goods is good? Makes sense.

What are you trying to say there?

Due to the tariffs that Trump has implemented, US consumers will be paying a tax to the US government on imported products that we weren't paying earlier in the year.

Can I make this any more clear? Trump's tariffs are a tax on AMERICAN CONSUMERS.

The goal of a tariff is to have the government coerce their consumers to purchase domestically produced goods.

Let me try to make that more clear: Tariffs are your government trying to manipulate your market choices.

You can think that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it's probably important that you understand what's actually happening before you make a judgement call.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466130 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:40 pm to
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Taxes for our goods is bad

Yes

quote:

but us paying taxes for goods is good?

This is what I'm against. I don't want to copy their bad model (see above)
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34919 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:42 pm to
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Can I make this any more clear? Trump's tariffs are a tax on AMERICAN CONSUMERS.


Wrong.

Trumps tariffs are a fulcrum on which to leverage more fair trade policies.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466130 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:42 pm to
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Trumps tariffs are a fulcrum on which to leverage more fair trade policies.

That's one theory.
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