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re: Ghislaine Maxwell says she is willing to reveal Jeffrey Epstein's client list
Posted on 7/13/25 at 11:07 pm to Breesus
Posted on 7/13/25 at 11:07 pm to Breesus
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I’m confused. Trump said this doesn’t exist
You clearly are. If she is offering to turn over names and the FBI is listening….that would mean the FBI doesn’t have the names.
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Posted on 7/13/25 at 11:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I think there may be a few other people
We’d have to define “few”. I suspect my few is more than yours. All this entire charade has reinforced in me is how incestuous political differences become when it comes to things like depravity. Left/Right. Democrat/Republican. Liberal/Conservative. They’re all fricking disgusting and live by the same mantra. MAD(Mutually Assured Destruction).
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:27 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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True Detective
Great show. The first season is a masterpiece.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 12:37 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Shes a billionaires daughter, and has been in jail for 4 years
If she had a list she would have bargained with it, or used it against people in the govt trying to jail her, or be dead
Shes not going to simply hang out sit in jail while sitting on a goldmine
If she had a list she would have bargained with it, or used it against people in the govt trying to jail her, or be dead
Shes not going to simply hang out sit in jail while sitting on a goldmine
Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:56 am to RobbBobb
That is what is perplexing to me as well.
First, I dont think its a "list". I think they were involved in a lot of things with the CIA, and that is why no one wants it out.
Okay she has info. They would make it very clear she would not live nor anyone around her. He was far more connected than her and they took him out while the whole world stood by and did nothing. So how much leverage does she have.
And why didnt epstein or her have a kill switch to bargain with? They knew they were playing with fire, a little insurance would have been nice.
First, I dont think its a "list". I think they were involved in a lot of things with the CIA, and that is why no one wants it out.
Okay she has info. They would make it very clear she would not live nor anyone around her. He was far more connected than her and they took him out while the whole world stood by and did nothing. So how much leverage does she have.
And why didnt epstein or her have a kill switch to bargain with? They knew they were playing with fire, a little insurance would have been nice.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 5:13 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
I am skeptical there is actually a detailed log or database of who slept with who on what date. It is not like the Lolita Express or Epstein Island gave people receipts for their travels.
Maxwell maybe willing to air out who she saw or knew who visited the island. But some of this already has been aired out in the media, especially since one of the names was allegedly DJT.
The FBI and Justice department has tons of data from phone records and plane logs.
You could definitely draw some conclusions as to who were clients or just visiting Epstein Island.
I think the justice department is sitting on that until they exhaust all appeals with Maxwell’s case and when the Jean Carroll civil law for monetary expires
Maxwell maybe willing to air out who she saw or knew who visited the island. But some of this already has been aired out in the media, especially since one of the names was allegedly DJT.
The FBI and Justice department has tons of data from phone records and plane logs.
You could definitely draw some conclusions as to who were clients or just visiting Epstein Island.
I think the justice department is sitting on that until they exhaust all appeals with Maxwell’s case and when the Jean Carroll civil law for monetary expires
Posted on 7/14/25 at 6:31 am to trinidadtiger
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He was far more connected than her
That alone tells me you don’t understand the situation.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 6:34 am to Jake88
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People have been saying this stupid shite since she was on trial and before.
They also said Epstein would never make it to trial. Was that “stupid shite?”
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:21 am to Flats
That's called the broken clock being correct once in awhile.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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Claims have proven to be much more prominent and important in this whole scenario compared to evidence.
Maxwell is stuck in the legal system, not the court of public opinion. What she knows doesn't give her leverage, evidence would give her leverage.
It's nice to see you come around to the fact that it probably went just a bit further than Maxwell and Epstein, BTW.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:22 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Does she have it with her in jail?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:23 am to Jake88
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That's called the broken clock being correct once in awhile.
So that was just a coincidence? You really believe no levers were pulled to make or allow that to happen?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:27 am to Flats
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It's nice to see you come around to the fact that it probably went just a bit further than Maxwell and Epstein, BTW.
You're conflating my comments about why she's in jail/"who were people trafficked to", as well as my comments on the lack of any evidence and how it hurts the CT, with my thoughts about the overall situation
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're conflating my comments about why she's in jail/"who were people trafficked to", as well as my comments on the lack of any evidence and how it hurts the CT, with my thoughts about the overall situation
Oh. I thought you had shifted from "y'all are silly conspiracy theorists, it was only Epstein and Maxwell" to "Well, maybe a few more people were involved."
My bad if I misrepresented.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:33 am to Flats
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Oh. I thought you had shifted from "y'all are silly conspiracy theorists, it was only Epstein and Maxwell"
Was never my stance.
Maxwell trafficked girls to Epstein.
So far, for this whole scheme/era (20+ years), there is only evidence for those 2 and maybe Andrew.
100% of the victims who have come forward only named those 3. There have been no victims who have credibly pointed a finger at anyone else (VG backtracked her claims against Dersh, for example)
Those were my arguments
This hurts the overall CT or likelihood of a large number on "the list".
That is NOT the same thing as me giving my personal opinion that a few more could have had sex with younger girls (whether they knew the age or not).
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:34 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Condolences on her upcoming suicide.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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That is NOT the same thing as me giving my personal opinion that a few more could have had sex with younger girls (whether they knew the age or not).
Well yeah, that's my point. The arguments you've previously made were AGAINST anybody outside of Epstein and Maxwell being involved, despite the massive hanging booger of Prince Andrew. People would say others are probably involved, you would argue with them. That's pretty well established.
Now a "few" more may have been involved. That's progress.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:38 am to Flats
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The arguments you've previously made were AGAINST anybody outside of Epstein and Maxwell being involved
My arguments were about the evidence, and, as of now, that's all we have.
Hence this comment ITT:
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Claims have proven to be much more prominent and important in this whole scenario compared to evidence.
Where is all of this evidence linking more than the 3 I listed?
Where are the victims?
Where is the documentation?
Or is everything else based on claims and not evidence?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:39 am to Flats
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He was far more connected than her
That alone tells me you don’t understand the situation.
Bingo.
He was a psychopathic frat boy who survived one semester of college, then somehow convinced Lex Wexner to allow him to manage a 5B$ net worth, then parlayed that into managing other high net worth individuals. A talented con man, no doubt.
Maxwell was the daughter of a billionaire MI5 operative who spent a lifetime doing Israel's bidding in England, then inexplicably went over the side of his yacht in calm waters. They both set up a place where rich men had access to underage girls, but it was undoubtably her who turned that into a blackmail operation for a foreign government. Without her, epstein is just another sleazy pimp, like the James Woods character in Casino.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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Where is all of this evidence linking more than the 3 I listed?
Besides all the associations and visits to a private island? That's evidence. I guess all the boxes that the FBI admits they lost could have been evidence. The ones they didn't lose, assuming those exist, might be evidence.
You don't have to think any evidence exists. I've seen people claim that what you call "evidence" against Prince Andrew is just circumstantial and it all has an innocent explanation. Those people think there's less evidence than you for more people being involved, I think there's more, and that's because nobody can force a person to accept evidence.
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