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re: GasBuddy: The spike in fuel prices is mostly due to Ukraine blowing up Russian refineries

Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:46 am to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:46 am to
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Why “mostly Russia, not Iran” inverts the evidence
Three pieces of evidence, taken together, dismantle the ranking.

First, the timeline. The Ukrainian refinery campaign is not new; it has been grinding on for well over a year. If it were the primary driver of the price, diesel would have climbed with the strike tempo. It did not. The diesel crack spread exploded to its historic highs specifically in the weeks after the United States and Israel went to war with Iran and the Strait of Hormuz — through which something like a fifth of the world’s oil and products move — was throttled. Crude tells the same story in Trump’s own timeframe: Brent ran from around $67 in January to $117 in April after the first strikes on Iran, eased to the low $80s during the ceasefire, and climbed back toward $108 as the fighting resumed this autumn. The price is indexed to the Iran war, phase by phase. It is not indexed to Kyiv’s drones.

Second, the nature of the shock. The Hormuz disruption is a dual shock in a way the Russian strikes are not: it constrains both the crude reaching refiners downstream and the enormous volume of refined product that Gulf refineries themselves export to the world. Add the drone strike that briefly shut Saudi Arabia’s East–West pipeline — the very line built to bypass Hormuz — and you have the Middle East, not Russia, sitting on the pressure point. Analysts across the refining trade have reached the same verdict: record product margins reflect acute supply tightness and lost refining output, with crude prices actually moderating from their wartime peaks even as diesel held firm. Geopolitical disruption is the catalyst, and the disruption doing the heavy lifting is in the Gulf.

Third, the American price specifically. The United States does not buy Russian diesel and has not for years, so $6 at a Miami truck stop is not the sound of Russian barrels failing to arrive here — they were never coming here. What reaches the US pump is global fungibility plus a set of domestic costs Trump did not mention, including roughly $15 a barrel of renewable-fuel compliance baked straight into the price. Even the size of the Russian hit is contested: Kyiv claims it has knocked out 42.7 percent of Russian refining capacity; Reuters put the figure closer to 17 percent in the spring. When the man blaming a shortage is quoting the most generous possible number for it, that is worth noticing.

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Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:46 am to
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not having the crude oil to refine into diesel?


The crude is available. It’s just not as cheap as it was.

Refining capacity is down and years of communist green propaganda has contributed to that.
Posted by PorkSammich
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:49 am to





Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:49 am to
Ukraine/Russia def is impacting Diesel, good thing Trump ended that conflict within 24hrs of being in office as promised... or after win and dining Putin in Alaska last year... or hosting little hitler at the white house the last few times.


And 65% of "recent spikes"...

Diesel was 3.46 in Jan and spiked to 5.60 in May.... it retreated to 4.58 in July and has since rocketed to 6.29.

So 1.71 spike over the past 3 months and Ukraine is to blame for 1.11 of that.

So even without "Ukraine" we are at 5.18 for diesel which is still 1.72 over what it was in January, before the Iranian bullshite

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
482769 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:50 am to
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Now our exports will seek to fill that gap, hurting consumers domestically. The only way to avoid that is for Trump to stop exports. Otherwise, we pay more for diesel to compete with the world shortage due to Russia's diminished capacity.


Iran is double fricking us though b/c we can't even refine diesel anymore ourselves to do that.

So we get higher prices and lose the economic benefits we'd get if we could take advantage of high prices and fill the gap in the market
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:51 am to
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Iran is double fricking us though b/c we can't even refine diesel anymore ourselves to do that.


Sure. I don't disagree, and neither does GasBuddy, which is why they only contribute about 60-65% of the increase to Ukraine bombing refineries.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:51 am to
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The crude is available. It’s just not as cheap as it was.

It's not as cheap as it was b/c it's not as available due to Iran/SOH issues.

The price of oil is directly caused by supply issues

Our refineries aren't shutting down b/c oil is expensive. They'd be making more money if they had the oil to refine into diesel. Petro is almost inelastic. We can't function as a modern society without petro. Markets will pay higher prices.

Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
8077 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:52 am to
Who fricking cares. Quit answering the phone.
Let thise morons kill each other and blow each others shite up. Make it clear we are out.

Cut spending totally over there, iran included, and concentrate in controlling Venezuela, Greenland, canada, and mexico.

Live in peace from there
frick the rest
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
6099 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:52 am to
Ukraine giving Israel a run for "our greatest ally".
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:52 am to
You fricked with some TDS fantasies.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:53 am to
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You fricked with some TDS fantasies.


You think shifting blame from Iran to Ukraine, and taking heat off Trump is "TDS fantasies"

You, sir, are confused.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
41868 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:54 am to
Trump and Vance need need to keep saying this.

A press sec simply doesn’t get the message out like Trump can.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:55 am to
But rammerjammer and lsut81 said this is all OMBs fault cause the strait
Posted by Timeoday
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:55 am to
If the US mid-term election were moving in the favor of the globalist, none of this currently occurring would be.

The globalist are sucking wind. Please, do tell us when you have seen any of them recently with a happy look on their face. They are surely avoiding the public eye and not commenting at all. Very strange if they are winning, right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
482769 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:57 am to
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If the US mid-term election were moving in the favor of the globalist, none of this currently occurring would be.

The globalist are sucking wind.


Attacking Iran is supporting the globalists
Posted by alabamabuckeye
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:58 am to
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:59 am to
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We can't function as a modern society without petro. Markets will pay higher prices.


Which is why support for Trump is so important right now.

The plan is underway to secure Venezuelan supply but it won’t show up right away. So we have some near term discomfort for sure but long term looks good unless we elect democrats who will ensure not only short term pain but long term as well.

Ask dems what their plan is to reduce energy cost. Not only do they not have any, they want the cost to go higher.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
482769 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 8:59 am to
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Which is why support for Trump is so important right now.


He's the cause of the petro supply issues

quote:

Ask dems what their plan is to reduce energy cost.

Not starting a war with Iran
This post was edited on 9/18/26 at 9:00 am
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
43873 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 9:05 am to
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Did you miss this?


No. Diesel was way up before that.

The spike is directly related to attacking Russian refineries and Europe buying.

Exxon’s shutdown is going to make it worse, but it isn’t the root cause.
Posted by HeadSlash
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Member since Aug 2006
56880 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 9:06 am to
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The one thing under Trump's control is invading Iran.


I must have missed that or do you consider US bombs an invasion?
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