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re: "Fruit of Islam" coming to Troy rally against police brutality tomorrow (P 25)
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:41 am to auggie
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:41 am to auggie
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The problem is,we have people in this country,that think there should be no consequences from their bad decisions and bad behavior.
It's never been that way,in the history of the fricking world.Anyone that expects this, is a pure dumb arse,and in another country,would likely be taken out of the gene pool pretty fast.
We're not in another country. We're in this country. And people in this country have rights, even criminals and suspected criminals. I think we should hold our police to a higher standard.
"Well if he didn't want to catch an arse beating, he shouldn't have fled the scene. Actions have consequences"
Police Beating Caught on Tape in San Francisco
LA Times:Deputies charged in San Francisco beating caught on video
I'm sure you can imagine the countless times they haven't been caught on camera. So let's not pretend this is isolated.
I have no ill will for police officers. Aside from getting a couple of speeding tickets (and dealing with one cop who acted like a douche because he was born with a miniature penis), I've never had any run-ins with cops. I'm not anti-cop. I just think it's dumb to pretend that there aren't a lot of bad apples. And cops notoriously refuse to speak out against their own. So where does that leave us? Maybe we should demand more from our police officers.
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:43 am to Papplesbeast
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Right. Those people are the heads of police unions.
Do you think The cops in Troy,Alabama are union?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:47 am to Pecker
Good post. Why do police act as though they have more rights than the citizens they VOLUNTEERED to serve? Maybe it’s the soldier in me, but I know I am taking risks to do my job, which may be to even protect those who want me dead.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:51 am to Pecker
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Maybe we should demand more from our police officers.
Maybe we should increase their wages with the understanding that any incident of impropriety or brutality will be investigated by an outside special counsel. I mean, would you put your life on the line for 30 grand a year? If we want a higher standard we need to pay for a higher standard. Much like the teaching profession.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:55 am to Pecker
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I'm sure you can imagine the countless times they haven't been caught on camera
Come on, Pecker. That's a stretch.
Let's stick to the case at hand, and wait for the evidence. I might be stretching it, too, but I want to believe that the process does work in these situations.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 11:57 am to Lg
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I have friend of mine who is a Constitutionalist and he gets a ticket every time he gets pulled over for the very reason of being confrontational. And his father and mother were police officers for 30-40 years.
There is only one real crime in this country, it's disrespecting a police officer.
I have been polite to police officers pretty much every time I have been pulled over, but there have been a couple times where events of the day had me in a really bad mood and I was pulled over on my way home. Instead of being polite, I was annoyed and snarky. It is only by the grace of God that I'm still alive because snark is all the justification a police officer needs to fire his weapon.
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I agree that she couldn't have done anything different and this guy was looking for someone to shoot. I am not advocating that all law enforcement officers are pristine but I also know quite a few of them and they aren't the blood thirsty power hungry people portrayed by many on here. But I think we need to look at from the view of an officer maybe approaching a vehicle and not knowing when he gets to the window there isn't a gun pointed toward him. Or a reach for a waistband could be the last time they get to see their son or daughter.
I don't get pulled over by the police often, but I'm glad to live in a country where I need to be afraid of being killed by police over nothing every time I am. What I need is more compassion for the police officer who is pointing a gun at me for no reason at all. He has a right to go home to his family at the end of the day. I don't have that right. What I have is the privilege of going home to my family, and only if the police officer grants me that privilege, which can be revoked at any time, for any reason.
You're right that most police officers are good people, trying to do the right thing. But there are a lot of bad apples out there and the police unions protect them every bit as much as they protect the good officers. A police union is protecting the officer who shot Justine Damond.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:14 pm to Papplesbeast
I grew up with the cop that apparently did most of the beating. He was always laid back, and nice. He was a big kid, but was soft on the football field. Not very aggressive relative to his size. Things have clearly changed since then.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:17 pm to Shenanigans
He had a gun... that was planted.
I’ve seen it happen before. I’ve had a client that had weed “planted” on him and got charged. He passed nail test within a month of being charged.
I’ve also had a case where a gun mysteriously appeared in an impounded car after it had already been searched and nothing was found. Whoops look what we found now!
I’ve seen it happen before. I’ve had a client that had weed “planted” on him and got charged. He passed nail test within a month of being charged.
I’ve also had a case where a gun mysteriously appeared in an impounded car after it had already been searched and nothing was found. Whoops look what we found now!
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:21 pm to Volatile
Having a gun as justification for getting a beat down does not go with the second amendment.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:25 pm to MrTide33
Don’t run from the police.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:26 pm to Redleg Guy
Well he was 17 so if he did have a gun that would be illegal, but I’m skeptical that he had one in the first place.
The beatdown was unjustified. Whatever force is necessary to remove the threat does not mean kicking the shite out of him.
The beatdown was unjustified. Whatever force is necessary to remove the threat does not mean kicking the shite out of him.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:41 pm to auggie
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Do you think The cops in Troy,Alabama are union?
Yep, they probably are.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:41 pm to Papplesbeast
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There is only one real crime in this country, it's disrespecting a police officer.
I don't believe that in the least.
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I was annoyed and snarky. It is only by the grace of God that I'm still alive because snark is all the justification a police officer needs to fire his weapon.
And where did I ever say that being snarky at LE is reason for them drawing a weapon. It will more than likely result in a ticket, though.
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I don't get pulled over by the police often, but I'm glad to live in a country where I need to be afraid of being killed by police over nothing every time I am.
Apparently I must live in a special part of the nation because I never fear for my life when being pulled over. And I'm a carry concealed permit holder and every time I have been pulled over I have let the officer know I have a weapon on me. And imagine that, I haven't been shot yet.
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What I need is more compassion for the police officer who is pointing a gun at me for no reason at all.
No reason at all, eh.
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He has a right to go home to his family at the end of the day. I don't have that right.
A little melodramatic don't you think. I never said his right to go home to his family outweighs yours. But, one thing you have to think about, you gave him a reason to pull you over, correct. Which , in turn means, you were breaking the law in some capacity. So who is in the wrong to begin with?
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A police union is protecting the officer who shot Justine Damond.
I've never supported unions in any way. I think they are the scourge of US.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:52 pm to Volatile
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He had a gun... that was planted.
I’ve seen it happen before. I’ve had a client that had weed “planted” on him and got charged. He passed nail test within a month of being charged.
I’ve also had a case where a gun mysteriously appeared in an impounded car after it had already been searched and nothing was found. Whoops look what we found now!
Police officers are never held accountable for planting evidence, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that police do it regularly. Why not do it if you have nothing to lose and everything to gain? Police know who the bad guys are, so every time they plant evidence they're doing it for a good cause.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:56 pm to Volatile
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He had a gun... that was planted.
Is this confirmed? Link?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:02 pm to MrTide33
That's horrible.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:13 pm to Lg
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Maybe we should increase their wages with the understanding that any incident of impropriety or brutality will be investigated by an outside special counsel. I mean, would you put your life on the line for 30 grand a year? If we want a higher standard we need to pay for a higher standard. Much like the teaching profession.
I'm completely in favor of raising wages because I believe it would lead to higher quality applicants for those jobs. That said, my next question would be how high? How high should we raise wages so that we can expect the officers to carry out their duties professionally and lawfully? Would you offer low wages as a justification for a civilian committing a crime? So why are we doing it for police officers?
Raised wages or not, we should still hold the police to a higher standard than we have been. Bare minimum, we should demand that they follow the laws they are tasked with enforcing. They aren't allowed to act with impunity because we've arbitrarily determined that their wages aren't high enough.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:14 pm to Lg
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I don't believe that in the least.
Then you're naive.
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And where did I ever say that being snarky at LE is reason for them drawing a weapon. It will more than likely result in a ticket, though.
You said being confrontational could cause an officer to think you're a criminal. Some people interpret snarkiness as being confrontational, therefore some people interpret snarkiness as criminal behavior.
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Apparently I must live in a special part of the nation because I never fear for my life when being pulled over. And I'm a carry concealed permit holder and every time I have been pulled over I have let the officer know I have a weapon on me. And imagine that, I haven't been shot yet.
I wonder if Philando Castile was as confident as you before he was shot while reaching for his ID.
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No reason at all, eh.
Yep, I don't do anything a normal, reasonable person would find threatening, but police officers operate in a world where everyone is a potential threat. Coughing at the wrong time could be enough to trigger a police officer into shooting his weapon. I mean, what if you're only coughing so you can distract the officer, so you can attack him? It's better to be safe (shoot) than sorry. That's what police officers are taught these days.
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A little melodramatic don't you think. I never said his right to go home to his family outweighs yours.
You didn't say it. It's just understood.
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But, one thing you have to think about, you gave him a reason to pull you over, correct. Which , in turn means, you were breaking the law in some capacity. So who is in the wrong to begin with?
Right. And we all know that anyone who breaks even the most minor law deserves whatever happens to them. If you are pulled over for having an expired tag (non-criminal, government paperwork violation) and a police officer ends up killing you, even if the shooting was not justified, the person really at fault is you for having an expired tag. Case closed.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:18 pm to Papplesbeast
Meh, he reached for his waistline and got his shite kicked in, not shot. They found his gun, so sounds like a good outcome for both sides. Kid didn’t get shot, and learned a good lesson, so what am I missing?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:23 pm to Papplesbeast
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Police officers are never held accountable for planting evidence
Why lie to try to make your point?
I'm not even going to provide a link because disproving absolutes is insanely facile.
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